On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 12:02:54AM +0100, Melanie wrote:> IMHO, a system like Icecast should be made so highly configurable that it > would fit everyone's needs, but I get the impression that only the needs of > the principal developers are of interest here. It makes me sad to see this, > Icecast could be great instead of just being good.Well, if this is what it takes to run an internet radio station in Germany, I certainly think we should support it. -r --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-dev-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
> >IMHO, a system like Icecast should be made so highly configurable that it >would fit everyone's needs, but I get the impression that only the needs >of the principal developers are of interest here. It makes me sad to see >this, Icecast could be great instead of just being good.this is a bit of an unfair statement. You are implying that we develop icecast for our own self-serving needs. I can assure you, that is far from the truth. Also, I feel like our team has a pretty darn good grasp of how people want to use icecast. Personally, I've been doing the streaming media biz for 4 years or so, and have been very close to the broadcasting community...So saying that "only the needs of the principal developers are of interest here" is just not true... that being said, our general approach to functionality is if enough people ask for it, it gets implemented...Or if we can see a general use for some new functionality, then we will also consider getting it implemented (time allowing)...your patches with regards to the fallback processing definitely fall into this category. we want to encourage everyone to contribute patches and new functionality..this is how Icecast grows and becomes a better product..But being maintainers of that product means we reserve the right to not implement every patch sent to us. In general though, if it's well coded, follows the general icecast coding style, and is applicable to a significant group of the userbase, it is adopted... oddsock>Melanie > >On 2003.11.30 23:38 Mr. Stauf wrote: >>Actually, Sorry guys, I just want to say the below paragraph is >>misrepresenting. >>You can stream music without "paying the piper" without being in copyright >>hell. And as a long time icecast user/admin/client/server/whatever, that >>below paragraph just makes me really sad to see on this list. >>...I'll lurk now. >>--Stauf >--- >8 ---- >List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ >icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ >To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to >'icecast-dev-request@xiph.org' >containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. >Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. >--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-dev-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
Actually, Sorry guys, I just want to say the below paragraph is misrepresenting. You can stream music without "paying the piper" without being in copyright hell. And as a long time icecast user/admin/client/server/whatever, that below paragraph just makes me really sad to see on this list. ...I'll lurk now. --Stauf> When people run icecast without registering their server and paying the > piper, they're actually committing a copyright infringement when they > stream music. > We have registered our server and that actually makes all meterial played > through it legal. Even if the .mp3 base material was downloaded from a > filesharing system to start with, it would be illegal to listen to it > privately, but legal to broadcast - a confusing situation. But, we've been > limited to broadcast no more than 12 hours per day and are required to > enforce that by technical means. This is the real-world need for the time > limit.--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-dev-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
Well, are you in Germany, streaming through a server located on German soil? If you can answer these two question with "yes", then the remainder of the paragraph is valid. It's not our objective to subvert the copyright/IP rights of artists or composers. We're doing thins the proper way for our country and need Icecast to support that. Wenn, thankfully I don't have a need to have these things adopted into icecast, I have them working on my server and if there is such widespread disagreement with what I've done, I'll just keep it as a private patch forever. IMHO, a system like Icecast should be made so highly configurable that it would fit everyone's needs, but I get the impression that only the needs of the principal developers are of interest here. It makes me sad to see this, Icecast could be great instead of just being good. Melanie On 2003.11.30 23:38 Mr. Stauf wrote:> Actually, Sorry guys, I just want to say the below paragraph is > misrepresenting. > You can stream music without "paying the piper" without being in copyright > hell. And as a long time icecast user/admin/client/server/whatever, that > below paragraph just makes me really sad to see on this list. > ...I'll lurk now. > --Stauf--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-dev-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
Very true. I guess the laws are changing everywhere. Here in the states, I think we can still get away with a lot of streaming if we ask permission, if the music isn't part of the RIAA, etc. So germanies laws are that restrictive as well? I had no idea. :1 --stauf P.s. I think that this feature would benefit those who have to deal with such silly restrictions. On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 12:02:54AM +0100, Melanie wrote:> Well, are you in Germany, streaming through a server located on German > soil? If you can answer these two question with "yes", then the remainder > of the paragraph is valid. > It's not our objective to subvert the copyright/IP rights of artists or > composers. We're doing thins the proper way for our country and need > Icecast to support that. > > Wenn, thankfully I don't have a need to have these things adopted into > icecast, I have them working on my server and if there is such widespread > disagreement with what I've done, I'll just keep it as a private patch > forever. > > IMHO, a system like Icecast should be made so highly configurable that it > would fit everyone's needs, but I get the impression that only the needs of > the principal developers are of interest here. It makes me sad to see this, > Icecast could be great instead of just being good. > > Melanie > > On 2003.11.30 23:38 Mr. Stauf wrote: > >Actually, Sorry guys, I just want to say the below paragraph is > >misrepresenting. > >You can stream music without "paying the piper" without being in copyright > >hell. And as a long time icecast user/admin/client/server/whatever, that > >below paragraph just makes me really sad to see on this list. > >...I'll lurk now. > >--Stauf > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to > 'icecast-dev-request@xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-dev-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
> IMHO, a system like Icecast should be made so highly configurable that it > would fit everyone's needs, but I get the impression that only the needs of > the principal developers are of interest here. It makes me sad to see this, > Icecast could be great instead of just being good. >Melanie, As one of the 'principal developers', I don't think this is fair. Of the things you suggested, I said I was interested in seeing patches for all but one of them - and that one is better implemented elsewhere, as I said previously. Please, send us patches. Your complex-fallbacks one is of most interest, and we'd definately love to see that separately from the others, but the we'd also like to see separate patches for the other features, so that we can review them on their own merits (and commit them if we think they're good enough :-) Mike --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-dev-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.