Gluster users - Mar 2017 - Backups

Backing up from inside each VM doesn't solve the problem
If you have to backup 500VMs you just need more than 1 day and what if you
have to restore the whole gluster storage?

How many days do you need to restore 1PB?

Probably the only solution should be a georep in the same datacenter/rack
with a similiar cluster,
ready to became the master storage.
In this case you don't need to restore anything as data are already there,
only a little bit back in time but this double the TCO

Il 23 mar 2017 6:39 PM, "Serkan ?oban" <cobanserkan at
gmail.com> ha scritto:
> Assuming a backup window of 12 hours, you need to send data at 25GB/s
> to backup solution.
> Using 10G Ethernet on hosts you need at least 25 host to handle 25GB/s.
> You can create an EC gluster cluster that can handle this rates, or
> you just backup valuable data from inside VMs using open source backup
> tools like borg,attic,restic , etc...
>
> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Gandalf Corvotempesta
> <gandalf.corvotempesta at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Let's assume a 1PB storage full of VMs images with each brick over
ZFS,
> > replica 3, sharding enabled
> >
> > How do you backup/restore that amount of data?
> >
> > Backing up daily is impossible, you'll never finish the backup
that the
> > following one is starting (in other words, you need more than 24
hours)
> >
> > Restoring is even worse. You need more than 24 hours with the whole
> cluster
> > down
> >
> > You can't rely on ZFS snapshot due to sharding (the snapshot took
from
> one
> > node is useless without all other node related at the same shard) and
you
> > still have the same restore speed
> >
> > How do you backup this?
> >
> > Even georep isn't enough, if you have to restore the whole storage
in
> case
> > of disaster
> >
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In many cases, a full backup set is just not feasible. Georep to the 
same or different DC may be an option if the bandwidth can keep up with 
the change set. If not, maybe breaking the data up into smaller more 
manageable volumes where you only keep a smaller set of critical data 
and just back that up. Perhaps an object store (swift?) might handle 
fault tolerance distribution better for some workloads.

There's no one right answer.


On 03/23/17 12:23, Gandalf Corvotempesta wrote:
> Backing up from inside each VM doesn't solve the problem
> If you have to backup 500VMs you just need more than 1 day and what if 
> you have to restore the whole gluster storage?
>
> How many days do you need to restore 1PB?
>
> Probably the only solution should be a georep in the same 
> datacenter/rack with a similiar cluster,
> ready to became the master storage.
> In this case you don't need to restore anything as data are already 
> there,
> only a little bit back in time but this double the TCO
>
> Il 23 mar 2017 6:39 PM, "Serkan ?oban" <cobanserkan at
gmail.com
> <mailto:cobanserkan at gmail.com>> ha scritto:
>
>     Assuming a backup window of 12 hours, you need to send data at 25GB/s
>     to backup solution.
>     Using 10G Ethernet on hosts you need at least 25 host to handle
>     25GB/s.
>     You can create an EC gluster cluster that can handle this rates, or
>     you just backup valuable data from inside VMs using open source backup
>     tools like borg,attic,restic , etc...
>
>     On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Gandalf Corvotempesta
>     <gandalf.corvotempesta at gmail.com
>     <mailto:gandalf.corvotempesta at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     > Let's assume a 1PB storage full of VMs images with each brick
>     over ZFS,
>     > replica 3, sharding enabled
>     >
>     > How do you backup/restore that amount of data?
>     >
>     > Backing up daily is impossible, you'll never finish the backup
>     that the
>     > following one is starting (in other words, you need more than 24
>     hours)
>     >
>     > Restoring is even worse. You need more than 24 hours with the
>     whole cluster
>     > down
>     >
>     > You can't rely on ZFS snapshot due to sharding (the snapshot
>     took from one
>     > node is useless without all other node related at the same
>     shard) and you
>     > still have the same restore speed
>     >
>     > How do you backup this?
>     >
>     > Even georep isn't enough, if you have to restore the whole
>     storage in case
>     > of disaster
>     >
>     > _______________________________________________
>     > Gluster-users mailing list
>     > Gluster-users at gluster.org <mailto:Gluster-users at
gluster.org>
>     > http://lists.gluster.org/mailman/listinfo/gluster-users
>     <http://lists.gluster.org/mailman/listinfo/gluster-users>
>
>
>
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