Cy Schubert wrote on 2019/05/01 05:56:> In message <292eadc6-3662-ec43-1175-53fc252487bd at quip.cz>,
Miroslav
> Lachman wri
> tes:
>> David Chisnall wrote on 2019/04/30 10:22:
>>> On 29/04/2019 21:12, Joe Maloney wrote:
>>>> With CFT version you chose to build, and package individual
components
>>>> such as sendmail with a port option.?? That does entirely solve
the
>>>> problem of being able to reinstall sendmail after the fact
without a
>>>> rebuild of the userland (base) port but perhaps base flavors
could
>>>> solve that problem assuming flavors could extend beyond python.
>>>
>>> This sounds very much like local optimisation. It's now easy to
create a
>>> custom base image.?? Great.?? But how do I express dependencies in
ports
>>> on a specific base configuration? This is easy if I depend on a
specific
>>> base package, but how does this work in your model??? For example,
if I
>>> have a package that depends on a library that is an optional part
of the
>>> base system, how do I express that pkg needs to either refuse to
install
>>> it, or install a userland pkg that includes that library in place
of my
>>> existing version as part of the install process?
>>>
>>> More importantly for the container use case, if I want to take a
>>> completely empty jail and do pkg ins nginx (for example), what does
the
>>> maintainer of the nginx port need to do to express the minimum set
of
>>> the base system that needs to be installed to allow nginx to work?
>>>
>>> One of the goals for the pkg base concept was to allow this kind of
use
>>> case, easily creating a minimal environment required to run a
single
>>> service. With a monolithic base package set, you're going to
need some
>>> mechanism other than packages to express the specific base subset
>>> package that you need and I think that you need to justify why this
>>> mechanism is better than using small individual packages.
>>
>> Will it not be maintainer's nightmare to take care of all the
>> dependencies on the base packages for each port we have in the ports
tree?
>
> No more than it is today. Remember, people have been doing this sort of
> thing for decades. If the folks at Red Hat, Oracle (formerly Sun), and
> IBM can do it, I'm sure we can too. The dependency lists will be
> longer. We may require dependency lists that allow the choice of one of
> many prereqs or coreqs.
They are experts and they are paid for their work. I am not. I am
maintaining a few packages and the reality is I don't know what they
need in base. Till these days I don't care about this kind of
dependency. I am not system developer or programmer and I think there
are more than just me who see this as a kind of problem.
So in this case, pkg base gives me nothing but more work on those packages.
Miroslav Lachman