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Rodney W. Grimes

2019-Apr-29 14:41 UTC

CFT: FreeBSD Package Base

> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 10:09 AM Rodney W. Grimes <
> freebsd-rwg at gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> wrote:
> 
> > >
> > > Correct, this is ZFS only. And it's something we're using
specific to
> > FreeNAS / TrueOS, which is why I didn't originally mention it as
apart of
> > our CFT.
> >
> > Then please it is "CFT: FreeNAS/TrueOS pkg base, ZFS only",
> > calling this FreeBSD pkg base when it is not was wrong,
> > and miss leading.
> >
> 
> Sorry, I disagree.Which is fine.
> This pkg base is independent of the ZFS tool we're using
> to wrangle boot-environments. Hence why it wasn't mentioned in the CFT.
> These base packages work the same as existing in-tree pkg base on UFS, no
> difference. If anything are probably safer due to being able to update all
> of userland in single extract operation, so you don't have out of order
> extraction of libc or some such.
You missed the major string change and focused on the edge,
No comment on calling iXsystems :stuff: FreeBSD instead of FreeNAS/TrueOS?

That was the major point of my statement, your miss leading the user
community, you yourself said this would never be imported into FreeBSD
base, so I see no reason that it should be called "FreeBSD package
Base",
as it is not, that is a different project.
> > > For UFS, there will need to be additional care taken when doing
updates.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Kris Moore
> > > Vice President of Engineering
> > > iXsystems, Inc
> > > Ph: (408) 943-4100
> > > Ph: (408) 943-4101
> > > The Groundbreaking TrueNAS M-Series -
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> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Goran Meki? <meka at tilda.center>
> > > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 9:43 AM
> > > To: Kris Moore <kris at ixsystems.com>
> > > Cc: Emmanuel Vadot <manu at bidouilliste.com>; FreeBSD
Stable <
> > freebsd-stable at freebsd.org>; FreeBSD Current <freebsd-current
at freebsd.org>;
> > freebsd-pkgbase at freebsd.org; freebsd-pkg at freebsd.org;
> > freebsd-hackers at freebsd.org; freebsd-ports at freebsd.org
> > > Subject: Re: CFT: FreeBSD Package Base
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 09:25:05AM -0400, Kris Moore wrote:
> > > > We've written our own tool "sysutils/sysup" in
GO which handles this.
> > > > It performs updates using Boot-Environments to ensure that
> > > > kernel/world are updated at same time.
> > >
> > > If I'm right, UFS doesn't support boot environments, so
how would it
> > work for UFS based installs?
> > >
> > > I personally feel GO is a bit ackward choice of language for
something
> > that practically should be part of base. At least I would expect OS
> > update/upgrade not to require any external package.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > meka
> > >
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> > >
> >
> > --
> > Rod Grimes
> > rgrimes at freebsd.org
> >
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Rod Grimes                                                 rgrimes at
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Cy Schubert

2019-Apr-29 19:31 UTC

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CFT: FreeBSD Package Base

In message <201904291441.x3TEfMid072751 at gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>,
"Rodney W.
Grimes"
writes:> > On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 10:09 AM Rodney W. Grimes <
> > freebsd-rwg at gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> wrote:
> > 
> > > >
> > > > Correct, this is ZFS only. And it's something we're
using specific to
> > > FreeNAS / TrueOS, which is why I didn't originally mention it
as apart of
> > > our CFT.
> > >
> > > Then please it is "CFT: FreeNAS/TrueOS pkg base, ZFS
only",
> > > calling this FreeBSD pkg base when it is not was wrong,
> > > and miss leading.
> > >
> > 
> > Sorry, I disagree.
> Which is fine.
>
> > This pkg base is independent of the ZFS tool we're using
> > to wrangle boot-environments. Hence why it wasn't mentioned in the
CFT.
> > These base packages work the same as existing in-tree pkg base on UFS,
no
> > difference. If anything are probably safer due to being able to update
all
> > of userland in single extract operation, so you don't have out of
order
> > extraction of libc or some such.
>
> You missed the major string change and focused on the edge,
> No comment on calling iXsystems :stuff: FreeBSD instead of FreeNAS/TrueOS?
>
> That was the major point of my statement, your miss leading the user
> community, you yourself said this would never be imported into FreeBSD
> base, so I see no reason that it should be called "FreeBSD package
Base",
> as it is not, that is a different project.
Taking the last comment on this thread to ask a question and maybe 
refocus a little.

The discussion about granularity begs the question, why pkgbase in the 
first place? My impression was that it allowed people to select which 
components they wanted to either create a lean installation or mix and 
match base packages and ports (possibly with flavours to install in 
/usr rather than $LOCALBASE) such that maybe person A wanted a stock 
install while person B wanted to replace, picking a random example, BSD 
tar with GNU tar. Isn't that the real advantage of pkgbase?

If OTOH it's binary updates V 2.0, what's the point? I'm a little 
rhetorical here but you get my point. If I want ipfw instead pf or 
ipfilter instead of the others I should have the freedom. Similarly if 
I want vim instead of vi I should have the choice to install vim as 
/usr/bin/vi. Otherwise all the effort to replace binary updates makes 
no sense.

-- 
Cheers,
Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert at cschubert.com>
FreeBSD UNIX:  <cy at FreeBSD.org>   Web:  http://www.FreeBSD.org

	The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few.

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