> On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 5:07 PM Rodney W. Grimes < > freebsd-rwg at pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > > > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 11:33:35PM +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > > > > I'd also suggest that rl stands in stark contrast to the cs, wb, sn, > > smc, > > > > > sf, tl, tx and vr drivers, which nobody has mentioned in this > > thread, and > > > > > which I doubt are in use in any FreeBSD system of any age today. > > > > > > > > vr is used by my TV driver laptop: > > > > http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/hardware/laptops/novatech-8355/ > > > > vr0: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> metric 0 mtu > > 1500 > > > > options=82808<VLAN_MTU,WOL_UCAST,WOL_MAGIC,LINKSTATE> > > > > ether 00:40:d0:5e:26:38 > > > > inet 192.168.91.65 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.91.255 > > > > media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX > > <full-duplex,flowcontrol,rxpause,txpause>) > > > > status: active > > > > > > > > Which currently runs 8.4-RELEASE & eg xrandr, but I'll upgrade soon > > > > when I also configure it to receive from a raspberry-pi TV VPN server. > > > > > > The above was a typo. vr is on the the STAY list. > > > > > > -- Brooks > > Brooks, > > Is there a public revised version of FCP-0101 that reflects the > > feedback which is what core is voting on? > > > > Its on github, just like it's been the whole time for anybody to see, > submit pull requests against and track:I have no gh account, desires no gh account, so have no way to submit a change request other than through direct email to brooks or another gh user. This is fundementally flawed.> https://github.com/freebsd/fcp/blob/master/fcp-0101.mdThank you for the link, I had looked at it before MeetBSD, which did not have most of the recent changes done "a day ago". Isnt this document now in a frozen state while core reviews/votes? -- Rod Grimes rgrimes at freebsd.org
On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 04:26:45PM -0700, Rodney W. Grimes wrote:> > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 5:07 PM Rodney W. Grimes < > > freebsd-rwg at pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 11:33:35PM +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > > > > > I'd also suggest that rl stands in stark contrast to the cs, wb, sn, > > > smc, > > > > > > sf, tl, tx and vr drivers, which nobody has mentioned in this > > > thread, and > > > > > > which I doubt are in use in any FreeBSD system of any age today. > > > > > > > > > > vr is used by my TV driver laptop: > > > > > http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/hardware/laptops/novatech-8355/ > > > > > vr0: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> metric 0 mtu > > > 1500 > > > > > options=82808<VLAN_MTU,WOL_UCAST,WOL_MAGIC,LINKSTATE> > > > > > ether 00:40:d0:5e:26:38 > > > > > inet 192.168.91.65 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.91.255 > > > > > media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX > > > <full-duplex,flowcontrol,rxpause,txpause>) > > > > > status: active > > > > > > > > > > Which currently runs 8.4-RELEASE & eg xrandr, but I'll upgrade soon > > > > > when I also configure it to receive from a raspberry-pi TV VPN server. > > > > > > > > The above was a typo. vr is on the the STAY list. > > > > > > > > -- Brooks > > > Brooks, > > > Is there a public revised version of FCP-0101 that reflects the > > > feedback which is what core is voting on? > > > > > > > Its on github, just like it's been the whole time for anybody to see, > > submit pull requests against and track: > > I have no gh account, desires no gh account, so have no way to > submit a change request other than through direct email to > brooks or another gh user. This is fundementally flawed. > > > https://github.com/freebsd/fcp/blob/master/fcp-0101.md > > Thank you for the link, I had looked at it before MeetBSD, > which did not have most of the recent changes done "a day ago". > > Isnt this document now in a frozen state while core reviews/votes?I sent it to a vote at c224c67557297d7cba909ad008542cb60980cc6b only to notice a bug in table rendering. I submitted a pull request fix that and a missing word which was merged since neither was material. I suppose they could have waited or been skipped, but there's no value in the FCP process being bound by the sort of pointless rigidity that led to -DPOSIX_MISTAKE in every libc compile line. -- Brooks -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 455 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/attachments/20181023/d055b675/attachment.sig>
-- Start of PGP signed section.> On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 04:26:45PM -0700, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 5:07 PM Rodney W. Grimes < > > > freebsd-rwg at pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 11:33:35PM +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > > > > > > I'd also suggest that rl stands in stark contrast to the cs, wb, sn, > > > > smc, > > > > > > > sf, tl, tx and vr drivers, which nobody has mentioned in this > > > > thread, and > > > > > > > which I doubt are in use in any FreeBSD system of any age today. > > > > > > > > > > > > vr is used by my TV driver laptop: > > > > > > http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/hardware/laptops/novatech-8355/ > > > > > > vr0: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> metric 0 mtu > > > > 1500 > > > > > > options=82808<VLAN_MTU,WOL_UCAST,WOL_MAGIC,LINKSTATE> > > > > > > ether 00:40:d0:5e:26:38 > > > > > > inet 192.168.91.65 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.91.255 > > > > > > media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX > > > > <full-duplex,flowcontrol,rxpause,txpause>) > > > > > > status: active > > > > > > > > > > > > Which currently runs 8.4-RELEASE & eg xrandr, but I'll upgrade soon > > > > > > when I also configure it to receive from a raspberry-pi TV VPN server. > > > > > > > > > > The above was a typo. vr is on the the STAY list. > > > > > > > > > > -- Brooks > > > > Brooks, > > > > Is there a public revised version of FCP-0101 that reflects the > > > > feedback which is what core is voting on? > > > > > > > > > > Its on github, just like it's been the whole time for anybody to see, > > > submit pull requests against and track: > > > > I have no gh account, desires no gh account, so have no way to > > submit a change request other than through direct email to > > brooks or another gh user. This is fundementally flawed. > > > > > https://github.com/freebsd/fcp/blob/master/fcp-0101.md > > > > Thank you for the link, I had looked at it before MeetBSD, > > which did not have most of the recent changes done "a day ago". > > > > Isnt this document now in a frozen state while core reviews/votes? > > I sent it to a vote at c224c67557297d7cba909ad008542cb60980cc6b only > to notice a bug in table rendering. I submitted a pull request fix > that and a missing word which was merged since neither was material. I > suppose they could have waited or been skipped, but there's no value in > the FCP process being bound by the sort of pointless rigidity that led > to -DPOSIX_MISTAKE in every libc compile line.The FCP process itself is unclear on this point, I think this should be clarified. It is much more clear on post approval: Changes after acceptance FCPs may need revision after they have been moved into the accepted state. In such cases, the author SHOULD update the FCP to reflect the final conclusions. If the changes are major, the FCP SHOULD be withdrawn and restarted. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes at freebsd.org
On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 5:26 PM Rodney W. Grimes < freebsd-rwg at pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote:> > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 5:07 PM Rodney W. Grimes < > > freebsd-rwg at pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 11:33:35PM +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > > > > > I'd also suggest that rl stands in stark contrast to the cs, wb, > sn, > > > smc, > > > > > > sf, tl, tx and vr drivers, which nobody has mentioned in this > > > thread, and > > > > > > which I doubt are in use in any FreeBSD system of any age today. > > > > > > > > > > vr is used by my TV driver laptop: > > > > > http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/hardware/laptops/novatech-8355/ > > > > > vr0: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> metric 0 > mtu > > > 1500 > > > > > options=82808<VLAN_MTU,WOL_UCAST,WOL_MAGIC,LINKSTATE> > > > > > ether 00:40:d0:5e:26:38 > > > > > inet 192.168.91.65 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast > 192.168.91.255 > > > > > media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX > > > <full-duplex,flowcontrol,rxpause,txpause>) > > > > > status: active > > > > > > > > > > Which currently runs 8.4-RELEASE & eg xrandr, but I'll upgrade soon > > > > > when I also configure it to receive from a raspberry-pi TV VPN > server. > > > > > > > > The above was a typo. vr is on the the STAY list. > > > > > > > > -- Brooks > > > Brooks, > > > Is there a public revised version of FCP-0101 that reflects the > > > feedback which is what core is voting on? > > > > > > > Its on github, just like it's been the whole time for anybody to see, > > submit pull requests against and track: > > I have no gh account, desires no gh account, so have no way to > submit a change request other than through direct email to > brooks or another gh user. This is fundementally flawed. >The fcp process was officially approved by core.9. You can make suggestions to core for improvements to the process. Lord knows this FCP hasn't been trouble free (though we've learned some valuable lessons). Submissions to the author is always an option should you choose not to use the widely used technology we've chosen to automate this process. Some FreeBSD users don't have accounts, however, many non-developers have github accounts and I think it's a reasonable way to do outreach to the larger community w/o requiring everybody to get a freebsd account (since they are already likely to have a github account, and if not they are trivial to get). So yea, it's a flawed process, and we'd love feedback on actionable items we can do to make it better. Warner