I would like to build a Ryzen desktop.? Can anyone recommend a good motherboard? I'm planning on a first-gen, because the second-gen has similar stability problems as the first-gen had, and AMD hasn't released errata for the second-gen yet (as far as I know...I would love to be wrong). I would like to be a cool kid with a Threadripper, but I can't justify the cost, so I'm thinking maybe a Ryzen 7 with /only/ 8 cores.? :) Ideally, I want an Intel NIC, ECC memory support, and a 3-year warranty. Thanks in advance, Eric
On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 10:56 AM Eric van Gyzen <eric at vangyzen.net> wrote:> I would like to build a Ryzen desktop. Can anyone recommend a good > motherboard? > > I'm planning on a first-gen, because the second-gen has similar > stability problems as the first-gen had, and AMD hasn't released errata > for the second-gen yet (as far as I know...I would love to be wrong). > > I would like to be a cool kid with a Threadripper, but I can't justify > the cost, so I'm thinking maybe a Ryzen 7 with /only/ 8 cores. :) > > Ideally, I want an Intel NIC, ECC memory support, and a 3-year warranty. > > Thanks in advance, > > Eric > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current at freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe at freebsd.org" >I purchased MSI B350 Gaming Pro with a Ryzen 2600 it's been great but if you plan to run FreeBSD you'll need a graphics card that's supported by the current graphics drivers. I found something quite old, it works with the drm2 drivers and there's no issues. There's list of supported cards here: https://wiki.freebsd.org/Graphics There's work being done on improving the graphics drivers, soon you won't need to get such old GPU. As for ECC I don't think you'll find many 1st gen ryzen motherboards that support that but I could be wrong, spec and datasheet here: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B350M-GAMING-PRO/Specification
> I would like to build a Ryzen desktop.? Can anyone recommend a good > motherboard?I have oe of these: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/X370-XPOWER-GAMING-TITANIUM but I just saw how much they are charging for it these days! I got one at about half that. I did originally get a B370 based board, but chnaged up for the X370 after I decided on a higher power Ryzen 7 and someone on ths list (can't remember who, sorry) reminded me that it would be more stable with the better quality power supplies on the non budget boards. It's a great board though. Ignore MSI slighly silly (as usual) promotional blurb and look at the specs and it's an excellent piece of kit.> I'm planning on a first-gen, because the second-gen has similar > stability problems as the first-gen had, and AMD hasn't released errata > for the second-gen yet (as far as I know...I would love to be wrong).Note that the Ryzen problems on FreeBSD aren't 100% solved yet - the Linux emulator doesn't work in STABLE, which might affect you ? Since the last BIOS upgrade and the patches in STABLE the system is certainly stable enough for a desktop though. I have only had two lockups since the last set of upgrades and I suspect that might have been related to me running virtual machines under VirtualBox as I stopped doing that and it's been fine ever since.> I would like to be a cool kid with a Threadripper, but I can't justify > the cost, so I'm thinking maybe a Ryzen 7 with /only/ 8 cores.? :)heh, yes, 8 cores and SMT makes for a ridiculously fast machine. Try a buildworld with -j16 on it.> Ideally, I want an Intel NIC, ECC memory support, and a 3-year warranty.Don't know about ECC, but the Titanium has an Intel NIC in it that works fine with igb driver. I used to drop in a separate Intel NIC card as so many of the boards came with cheap Realtek, but I dont have to with this one. Let us know how you get on.... -pete.
On 9/22/18 4:53 AM, Eric van Gyzen wrote:> I would like to build a Ryzen desktop.? Can anyone recommend a good > motherboard? > > I'm planning on a first-gen, because the second-gen has similar > stability problems as the first-gen had, and AMD hasn't released errata > for the second-gen yet (as far as I know...I would love to be wrong). > > I would like to be a cool kid with a Threadripper, but I can't justify > the cost, so I'm thinking maybe a Ryzen 7 with /only/ 8 cores.? :)Running Ryzen 7 2700 with Asus X470-PRO. No major problems so far. Minor issues: - powerd/amdtemp don't work correctly, I'll probably retest when 12-BETA is out - Linuxolator doesn't work (as petefrench pointed out) - Had a crash while backing up to external HDD but pretty sure the problem was a bad SATA connection The system does a lot of poudriere builds. Cannot comment on long-time stability, system is off at night.> Ideally, I want an Intel NIC, ECC memory support, and a 3-year warranty.Board has an Intel igb NIC. According to the vendor "ECC support varies by CPU". But only found reports of ECC not working, not a single success story. The X370 board is a bit cheaper. Went for X470 because X370 boards may require firmware update for 2nd gen Ryzen.
On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 5:53 AM, Eric van Gyzen <eric at vangyzen.net> wrote:> I would like to build a Ryzen desktop. Can anyone recommend a good > motherboard? > > I'm planning on a first-gen, because the second-gen has similar > stability problems as the first-gen had, and AMD hasn't released > errata for the second-gen yet (as far as I know...I would love to be > wrong).IIRC the weird freeze/segfault bugs were only in the early batches of 1st gen. If you get 2nd gen, you're *definitely* getting a stable chip. My R7 1700 is from Aug 2017, never had any issues. So a 1st gen bought today should be fine too of course, unless *somehow* you get very very very old stock.> I would like to be a cool kid with a Threadripper, but I can't > justify the cost, so I'm thinking maybe a Ryzen 7 with /only/ 8 > cores. :)Yeah, yeah. Good discounts on 1st gen Threadripper can be found these days though? but still there's board cost + RAM cost (you have to fill up 4 memory channels on TR if you want performance to not suck).> Ideally, I want an Intel NIC, ECC memory support, and a 3-year > warranty.For ECC, you can google board name + ecc ram. You can often find reports on forums/subreddits/whatever. Since you care about warranty, you probably don't care about overclocking, so do not watch the following videos: B450 boards ? https://youtu.be/yWAwOH-egFs X470 ? https://youtu.be/L8T2gzIkw78 :) But still, good power delivery is important for an 8-core even at stock settings, so avoid the latest ASUS TUF board, and super cheap boards in general. I have an MSI X370 SLI PLUS. The firmware is good, RGB lighting support is good (most important thing! lol. controllable under FreeBSD with https://github.com/nagisa/msi-rgb), the VRM is okay but not super great (8-core @ 1.39V 3.95GHz ? ~100 ? without any direct airflow over the VRM heatsink). NIC is Realtek, recognized by re(4), I never tried it (I use a Mellanox card). Audio is Realtek, works fine 99% of the time (very occasionally sound stops working, sysctl dev.hdac.0.polling=1 brings it back). There is a pin header for the SPI flash chip to recover a failed firmware update (I actually did this once :D), but the pins are tiny (2mm instead of the usual 2.54).
On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 21:53:20 -0500 Eric van Gyzen <eric at vangyzen.net> wrote:> I would like to build a Ryzen desktop.? Can anyone recommend a good > motherboard?https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f12/pga-am4-mainboard-vrm-liste-1155146.html Any MoBo based on IR35201 or ASP1405I.> I'm planning on a first-gen, because the second-gen has similar > stability problems as the first-gen had, and AMD hasn't released > errata for the second-gen yet (as far as I know...I would love to be > wrong). >I dont see any issies with Ryzens: 1300x (25 week), 2200G, 2700x.
On 9/21/2018 10:53 PM, Eric van Gyzen wrote:> I would like to build a Ryzen desktop.? Can anyone recommend a good > motherboard?I like the ASUS X370-PRO (currently BIOS 04/19/2018). igb0 for the onboard nic igb0 at pci0:7:0:0: class=0x020000 card=0x85f01043 chip=0x15398086 rev=0x03 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = 'I211 Gigabit Network Connection' and its been VERY stable since the various microcode updates and OS updates went in. (0x8001137) CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600X Six-Core Processor (3593.34-MHz K8-class CPU) Origin="AuthenticAMD" Id=0x800f11 Family=0x17 Model=0x1 Stepping=1 Features=0x178bfbff<FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CLFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT> Features2=0x7ed8320b<SSE3,PCLMULQDQ,MON,SSSE3,FMA,CX16,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,MOVBE,POPCNT,AESNI,XSAVE,OSXSAVE,AVX,F16C,RDRAND> AMD Features=0x2e500800<SYSCALL,NX,MMX+,FFXSR,Page1GB,RDTSCP,LM> AMD Features2=0x35c233ff<LAHF,CMP,SVM,ExtAPIC,CR8,ABM,SSE4A,MAS,Prefetch,OSVW,SKINIT,WDT,TCE,Topology,PCXC,PNXC,DBE,PL2I,MWAITX> Structured Extended Features=0x209c01a9<FSGSBASE,BMI1,AVX2,SMEP,BMI2,RDSEED,ADX,SMAP,CLFLUSHOPT,SHA> XSAVE Features=0xf<XSAVEOPT,XSAVEC,XINUSE,XSAVES> AMD Extended Feature Extensions ID EBX=0x1007<CLZERO,IRPerf,XSaveErPtr> SVM: NP,NRIP,VClean,AFlush,DAssist,NAsids=32768 TSC: P-state invariant, performance statistics real memory = 34359738368 (32768 MB) avail memory = 33226657792 (31687 MB) ---Mike -- ------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 x203 Sentex Communications, mike at sentex.net Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada
On 9/21/18 9:53 PM, Eric van Gyzen wrote:> I would like to build a Ryzen desktop.? Can anyone recommend a good > motherboard? > > I'm planning on a first-gen, because the second-gen has similar > stability problems as the first-gen had, and AMD hasn't released errata > for the second-gen yet (as far as I know...I would love to be wrong). > > I would like to be a cool kid with a Threadripper, but I can't justify > the cost, so I'm thinking maybe a Ryzen 7 with /only/ 8 cores.? :) > > Ideally, I want an Intel NIC, ECC memory support, and a 3-year warranty.Thanks for all the responses. They were very helpful. Here is what I ended up building: Mobo: ASUS Prime X470-Pro CPU: Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz 8-Core RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 2 x 16GB DDR4-2666 PC4-21300 C16 Video: ASUS GeForce GTX 1060 6GB Disk: Samsung 970 EVO 500GB TLC NAND M.2 2280 PCIe NVMe 3.0 x4 PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA G3 750 Watt 80 Plus Gold ATX Fan: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO Universal CPU Cooler It's running FreeBSD head. BIOS version is 4018 (2018-07-12). So far, it has been perfectly stable. No crashes, no lockups. It has been my work-from-home desktop for just over a week now. I'm overclocking the memory a little, but nothing else. The NIC works. The sound works, though I've only tested the rear analog output. The video card works with the nvidia-driver, currently 390.87. It's driving two 2560x1440 monitors over HDMI. The only problem so far: I can't get NUMA enabled. I've set Memory Interleave to "off", but the BIOS still doesn't generate an ACPI SRAT table. I'm still working on this. Eric