On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 14:53 Ali <aliovx at gmail.com> wrote:> On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 06:54:54PM -0700, Matthew Macy wrote: > > Just in case anyone misses the change to UPDATING: > > > > 20180821: > > drm and drm2 have been removed. Users on powerpc, 32-bit > hardware, > > or with GPUs predating Radeon and i915 will need to install the > > graphics/drm-legacy-kmod. All other users should be able to use > > one of the LinuxKPI-based ports: graphics/drm-stable-kmod, > > graphics/drm-next-kmod, graphics/drm-devel-kmod. > > Note that this applies only to 12. > > I see that The removal of drm and drm2 has been reverted on svn. Could > you please kindly share the reasons behind the re-inclusion? >I can?t really give the blow by blow of internal project drama, but the gist of it is that ?best practices? (which are not yet actually documented anywhere that I?ve seen) were not followed with regards to the deprecation process. Warner and others believe that we can address the objectives of the drm removal (improving the user experience and communicating that drm/drm2 are _completely_ unsupported apart from continuing to compile) through less disruptive means. I am only acting as a lightning rod and representative of the graphics team and so have done an inadequate job of tracking their activities with respect to project timelines. As a result of this misunderstanding Johannes Lundberg will be sponsored for a bit and will be able to be involved in internal discussions that impact his work. Our only continued frustration is that we were never given any guidance by RE or core on said ?best practices? when the discussion was taking place in May and then those groups behaved as if this were a surprise when the removal happened. I?m cautiously optimistic that this well expedite improving communications on those matters. Cheers. -M
On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 4:20 PM Matthew Macy <mmacy at freebsd.org> wrote:> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 14:53 Ali <aliovx at gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 06:54:54PM -0700, Matthew Macy wrote: > > > Just in case anyone misses the change to UPDATING: > > > > > > 20180821: > > > drm and drm2 have been removed. Users on powerpc, 32-bit > > hardware, > > > or with GPUs predating Radeon and i915 will need to install the > > > graphics/drm-legacy-kmod. All other users should be able to use > > > one of the LinuxKPI-based ports: graphics/drm-stable-kmod, > > > graphics/drm-next-kmod, graphics/drm-devel-kmod. > > > Note that this applies only to 12. > > > > I see that The removal of drm and drm2 has been reverted on svn. Could > > you please kindly share the reasons behind the re-inclusion? > > > > > I can?t really give the blow by blow of internal project drama, but the > gist of it is that ?best practices? (which are not yet actually documented > anywhere that I?ve seen) were not followed with regards to the deprecation > process. Warner and others believe that we can address the objectives of > the drm removal (improving the user experience and communicating that > drm/drm2 are _completely_ unsupported apart from continuing to compile) > through less disruptive means. >Just so. Our only continued frustration is that we were never given any guidance by> RE or core on said ?best practices? when the discussion was taking place in > May and then those groups behaved as if this were a surprise when the > removal happened. I?m cautiously optimistic that this well expedite > improving communications on those matters. >All the problems that are exposed by this aren't technical. This one is social, but no less important. Warner
Isn't Intel supposed to be working on a native drm driver for FreeBSD? https://bwidawsk.net/blog/index.php/2018/06/i965-compiler-architecture-from-2015/ On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 12:19 AM, Matthew Macy <mmacy at freebsd.org> wrote:> > > On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 14:53 Ali <aliovx at gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 06:54:54PM -0700, Matthew Macy wrote: >> > Just in case anyone misses the change to UPDATING: >> > >> > 20180821: >> > drm and drm2 have been removed. Users on powerpc, 32-bit >> hardware, >> > or with GPUs predating Radeon and i915 will need to install the >> > graphics/drm-legacy-kmod. All other users should be able to use >> > one of the LinuxKPI-based ports: graphics/drm-stable-kmod, >> > graphics/drm-next-kmod, graphics/drm-devel-kmod. >> > Note that this applies only to 12. >> >> I see that The removal of drm and drm2 has been reverted on svn. Could >> you please kindly share the reasons behind the re-inclusion? >> > > > I can?t really give the blow by blow of internal project drama, but the > gist of it is that ?best practices? (which are not yet actually documented > anywhere that I?ve seen) were not followed with regards to the deprecation > process. Warner and others believe that we can address the objectives of > the drm removal (improving the user experience and communicating that > drm/drm2 are _completely_ unsupported apart from continuing to compile) > through less disruptive means. I am only acting as a lightning rod and > representative of the graphics team and so have done an inadequate job of > tracking their activities with respect to project timelines. As a result of > this misunderstanding Johannes Lundberg will be sponsored for a bit and > will be able to be involved in internal discussions that impact his work. > > Our only continued frustration is that we were never given any guidance by > RE or core on said ?best practices? when the discussion was taking place in > May and then those groups behaved as if this were a surprise when the > removal happened. I?m cautiously optimistic that this well expedite > improving communications on those matters. > > > Cheers. > -M >