Yo list! I just encountered something I think w/c is not right, e.g.: root@jail:~# cat /etc/group # $FreeBSD: src/etc/group,v 1.31 2004/06/23 01:32:28 mlaier Exp $ # wheel:*:0:root,mars daemon:*:1: kmem:*:2: sys:*:3: tty:*:4: operator:*:5:root mail:*:6: bin:*:7: news:*:8: man:*:9: games:*:13: staff:*:20: sshd:*:22: smmsp:*:25: mailnull:*:26: guest:*:31: bind:*:53: proxy:*:62: authpf:*:63: _pflogd:*:64: uucp:*:66: dialer:*:68: network:*:69: www:*:80: nogroup:*:65533: nobody:*:65534: pgsql:*:70: root@jail:~# pw groupdel -g bleh root@jail:~# cat /etc/group # $FreeBSD: src/etc/group,v 1.31 2004/06/23 01:32:28 mlaier Exp $ # daemon:*:1: kmem:*:2: sys:*:3: tty:*:4: operator:*:5:root mail:*:6: bin:*:7: news:*:8: man:*:9: games:*:13: staff:*:20: sshd:*:22: smmsp:*:25: mailnull:*:26: guest:*:31: bind:*:53: proxy:*:62: authpf:*:63: _pflogd:*:64: uucp:*:66: dialer:*:68: network:*:69: www:*:80: nogroup:*:65533: nobody:*:65534: pgsql:*:70: The previous action of deleting an invalid group (bleh) passed on to -g via pw results in the 'wheel' group being deleted outright, silently. Ouch. As an avid user of 'pw' I keep on inter-changing the -n and -g switches (when working w/ pw user{add/mod/del} and pw group{add/mod/del}), so it struck me when i realized I issued the command above and the jail didnt know the 'wheel' group anymore when i went on to do some other stuff (was installing ports when it didn't know who's 'wheel', heh ;-) This happens on 5.4R and 6.0R, on my boxens. Thanks and FYI! cheers mars