Guys, Just upgraded a 4.5-R (probably -p5?) machine to 4.10-R. (cvsup, make buildworld, buildkernel, installkernel, installworld, etc etc) For some strange reason, a random set of files were removed from /usr/local/bin. pico, checkpassword, procmail that I know of for sure so far. Don't know if other non /usr/local/bin files were affected...but keep an eye out! ...david --- david raistrick http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html drais@atlasta.net http://www.expita.com/nomime.html