WhiteWinterWolf (Simon)
2017-Oct-17 08:27 UTC
WPA2 bugz - One Man's Quick & Dirty Response
Hi Ronald, I have yet to investigate this WPA2 thing on my side, too much contradictory informations depending on the sources yet. Let me however add my two cents regarding your issue: A network can be divided in several logical layers: the data link layer (here WiFi), the networking layer (here TCP/IP), and the application with the data it manipulates, both in transit and at rest. Ideally, you would use a specific protection for each of these layers, so that an vulnerability affecting one layer would be compensated by other layers. But this "ideal solution" is not always feasible. What you did is secure only the lowest layers and put no security on the higher ones, the security of the complete stack relying on the lowest layer security. This is usually weak and prone to be vulnerable (if it wasn't due to this WPA2 weakness, it would be something else). There are however techniques allowing to secure higher layers without having to trust the lower ones. That's how, for instance, HTTPS work for online payment: neither you nor the bank or merchant trusts the Internet network, but all sensitive operations are done within a secure tunnel created between you and the remote party and isolating you form any threat affecting networks in between. This WPA2 crisis strongly reminds me WEP (even-though I don't know yet if it is really as scary: again different source gives completely different information). But nevertheless at that time it was simply assumed that the Wi-Fi was just to be considered as an untrusted network, the same way as you (should) consider Internet. A sane approach which was usually recommended was as follow: 1) Sensitive accesses must be properly secured. As you cannot trust lower layers, use something like a VPN, which is able to authenticate both the source and destination hosts and create a secure tunnel between them. At the time of the WEP issue, there was a movement to completely drop any kind of WiFi "security" and use plain, open WiFi instead but rely on VPN to authenticate the hosts and provide appropriate access and security. This was maybe an extreme position, but still this shows the idea and remains secure indeed, as long as all your hosts support VPN of course. 2) Non-sensitive accesses *may* use lower security if needed. In particular, I don't think that your Amazon TV supports any kind of VPN tunneling, but also I don't know if it requires write access to your network share or if it uses it only to read non-sensitive media files. A common scenario is to allow read-only access limited to non-sensitive documents over the untrusted WiFi network. Yes, an attacker can take over your network and copy your movies and musics, but is this really problem for you? IT security is always a question of trade-offs depending on your particular situation, but for the "few zillions" you mentioned this is usually not a problem (and actually the attacker will most likely not even care of such files). All sensitive operations should be done using secure channels. The most versatile secure channel is setting-up a custom VPN within your LAN, but there are other alternatives. For instance, to update the content of your shared directories, you can use SFTP instead (the SSH file transfer protocol) instead of a writable share: this is very easy to setup (FileZilla is an easy to use and well-known SFTP client) and the whole communication will be secured by SSH. At last remains Internet access. There are two threats there: 1) An attacker may intercept your connection. He will not be in measure to bypass HTTPS security though, so assertion such a "hacker can now steal your passwords and credit card numbers" as heard this morning in the news is bullshit as long as you ensure that your connection is indeed secure through HTTPS thanks to the little padlock. There are paid VPN services available on the Internet, some of them even proposing smartphone apps. They are commonly and effectively used on public WiFi network which are by definition untrusted, and would be an easy way to secure your Internet access through an untrusted WiFi without having to learn to setup a VPN server yourself. 2) An attacker may use your Internet access for his own purposes. At the peak of the WEP crisis, maps of location of weak WEP Internet access points were shared (for a fee, I guess, everything is a matter of business) on shady forums (typically pedo-pornographic forums) so their users can take advantage of such unsecured networks to access illegal content anonymously. Your WiFi access point firewall may offer the possibility to restrict outgoing connections to only the VPN server. This would effectively restrict Internet access to hosts and devices able to authenticate against the VPN server. Not the ideal solution in case of a public VPN server (where everyone can subscribe), but enough to deter such low-tech attackers who just seek for ready-made available Internet accesses. So, to summarize: - Unsecure shares must be read-only and offer access to only non-sensitive files. - Write accesses and access to sensitive files must be done through secure channels authenticating both the server and the client. SFTP is a common solution, with FileZilla a widely used client. - If an Internet access is needed over the WiFi, public VPN services offer ready-to-use solutions. - Restricting outgoing access to the VPN server will prevent casual attackers from taking advantage of your Internet connection. None of this requires high amount of technical knowledge and allows to provide a good level of security independently of your WiFi security level. I hope these few elements help you to see things a bit clearer and, maybe, give you some useful ideas. Regards, Simon. -- WhiteWinterWolf https://www.whitewinterwolf.com
In message <49252eda-3d48-f7bc-95e7-db716db4ed91 at whitewinterwolf.com>, "WhiteWinterWolf (Simon)" <freebsd.lists at whitewinterwolf.com> wrote:>Ideally, you would use a specific protection for each of these layers, >so that an vulnerability affecting one layer would be compensated by >other layers.A good point. Right about now, I wish that I knew one hell of a lot more about both NFS and SMB than I do... and also SSH and TLS. I suspect that the file sharing protocols I am most concerned about (NFS & SMB) could perhaps be run in a manner such that both initial volume mounts and also data blocks (to & from) the share volumes would be additionally encrypted, so that I could be running everything securely, even if some attacker managed to do maximally evil things to my WiFi/WPA2 network. Do NFS and/or SMB have their own built-in encryption? I have to ask, because I honestly don't know. If not, is it easily possible to add or attach some additional encryption layer to those? And if I did so, would it even help any? (I'm guessing that it might, just on the basis of what little I know about SSH. I don't even really know how SSH works. The only think I do know is that it is possible to use it to both start up and continue a secure connection, even in the presence of utterly compromised data links. And I gather than this is also -the- fundamental and inherent feature of TLS also.) Please note that I am asking only about what is -easily- possible. I wish that I had time to learn in depth about all things crypto (starting from my very low starting point) but I don't. And I'm just running a little home network here, not a network for, say, a huge corporation or for a sprawling factory floor. So I just doesn't make sense for me to spend, say, 200 man hours to get something working. I just don't have that kind of time to devote to this. Basically if there is an -eay- crypto-protected way of mounting volumes and then accessing them, either for NFS or for SMB (or both) then I do think I'd like to try that.>What you did is secure only the lowest layers and put no security on the >higher ones, the security of the complete stack relying on the lowest >layer security.Yea, I think that I sort of got that.>All sensitive operations should be done using secure channels. >The most versatile secure channel is setting-up a custom VPN within your >LAN...Frankly, I must sheepishly admit that have no idea how to even begin to do that. Pointers to tutorials would be appreciated. Note also that whatever I do in this regard, I have to be able to entice or coerce at least one of (a) OpenELEC/LibreELEC and/or (b) Windoze7 to follow suit.>At last remains Internet access. There are two threats there: > >1) An attacker may intercept your connection. He will not be in measure >to bypass HTTPS security though, so assertion such a "hacker can now >steal your passwords and credit card numbers" as heard this morning in >the news is bullshit as long as you ensure that your connection is >indeed secure through HTTPS thanks to the little padlock.Well, as I mentioned earlier, my Amazon Fire TV box doesn't need to access anything from my local file server, but it *does* somehow (and mostly automagically) access protected content off the Internet, via my local WiFi network. At the moment, I don't even know if whatever credentials of mine that are stored in, and transmitted from that box are at risk, and I have even less of an idea of how to secure them if they are indeed at risk.>There are paid VPN services available on the Internet, some of them even >proposing smartphone apps. They are commonly and effectively used on >public WiFi network which are by definition untrusted, and would be an >easy way to secure your Internet access through an untrusted WiFi >without having to learn to setup a VPN server yourself.Right, but how do I entice the Fire TV box to use such a thing? That's the enigma, I think... at least for me.>2) An attacker may use your Internet access for his own purposes.Yea, I've gathered at least that much. It is a worrying possibility, but as I have pretty crappy (low) bandwidth, I think that if bad guys show up in my neighborhood, they will easily find much better pickings from some of my neighbors. So for the moment, I'm not going to worry about this, but of course, I'm going keep my ear to the ground, and will patch my router and my WiFi clients the minute patches or these things are available.>Your WiFi access point firewall may offer the possibility to restrict >outgoing connections to only the VPN server. This would effectively >restrict Internet access to hosts and devices able to authenticate >against the VPN server.It doesn't. :-(>I hope these few elements help you to see things a bit clearer and, >maybe, give you some useful ideas.Yes, thanks. I feel sure that I am probably speaking for a few hundred million people, all over the world, when I say that this whole WPA2 debacle is really rather entirely annoying. But with helpful folks like you around, even the dunderheads like me will probably manage to make it through this mess without too much pain. Thanks for your thoughts. Regards, rfg