Julian H. Stacey
2016-May-05  14:59 UTC
Batching errata & advisories in heaps degrades security.
Another bunch of Security alerts, degrades FreeBSD by being clumped together:
  Subject: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD Security Advisory FreeBSD-SA-16:17.openssl
  Date: Wed,  4 May 2016 22:55:46 +0000 (UTC)
  
  Subject: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD Errata Notice FreeBSD-EN-16:06.libc
  Date: Wed,  4 May 2016 22:56:31 +0000 (UTC)
  
  Subject: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD Errata Notice FreeBSD-EN-16:08.zfs
  Date: Wed,  4 May 2016 22:56:40 +0000 (UTC)
  
  Subject: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD Errata Notice FreeBSD-EN-16:07.ipi
  Date: Wed,  4 May 2016 22:56:35 +0000 (UTC)
I guess many recipients get tired of recent indigestable batches of 
multiple FreeBSD Errata & think approx:
  _Why_ have they been artificially batching in last years ?
  I could spare time to interrupt work for one priority alert,
  Not for a heap batched seconds apart ! _Why_ ?!
  I have no time now to action all this heap ! Maybe later ...
    ( & meanwhile security @ FreeBSD could complacently think:
    "We published all 4, if you don't immediately find time to 
     secure all 4 & someone abuses you, don't blame us !" )
  Are they batched in delusion it will help FreeBSD public relations,
  to not scare people with too many days with FreeBSD alerts ?
  Batching _Degrades_ security.  It is bad over-management,
  FreeBSD was better previously without batching, publishing each
  problem when analysed, Not held back for batching.
Cheers,
Julian
-- 
Julian Stacey, BSD Linux Unix Sys Eng Consultant Munich http://berklix.eu/jhs/
 Mail plain text,  No quoted-printable, HTML, base64, MS.doc.
 Prefix old lines '> '  Reply below old, like play script.  Break
lines by 80.
 Brexit: Meeting +UK blocks votes of Brits in EU  http://www.berklix.eu/brexit/
Benjamin Kaduk
2016-May-05  15:07 UTC
Batching errata & advisories in heaps degrades security.
On Thu, 5 May 2016, Julian H. Stacey wrote:> Another bunch of Security alerts, degrades FreeBSD by being clumped together: > > I guess many recipients get tired of recent indigestable batches of > multiple FreeBSD Errata & think approx:I cannot recall whether you were participating in the discussion the last time this topic came up. Regardless, it feels like it was somewhat recent (a year or so).> _Why_ have they been artificially batching in last years ? > I could spare time to interrupt work for one priority alert, > Not for a heap batched seconds apart ! _Why_ ?! > I have no time now to action all this heap ! Maybe later ... > ( & meanwhile security @ FreeBSD could complacently think: > "We published all 4, if you don't immediately find time to > secure all 4 & someone abuses you, don't blame us !" ) > Are they batched in delusion it will help FreeBSD public relations, > to not scare people with too many days with FreeBSD alerts ? > Batching _Degrades_ security. It is bad over-management, > FreeBSD was better previously without batching, publishing each > problem when analysed, Not held back for batching.As a member of the security team for two projects (not FreeBSD's, though), I can say that it is a lot of behind-the-scenes work to put out advisories, and batching them reduces the unit cost of any given one. I further note that this recent batch that you are complaining about, contained only one security advisory and three errata notices; the contents of the errata notices have been public for quite some time, and affected parties welcome to upgrade at their leisure [manually, without freebsd-update, of course]. We can perhaps agree to disagree about whether the batching is good, but I do not see much value in rehashing the same arguments periodically. -Ben