Hello all: I have a problem that might be related to the fontconfig system. I have a SUSE 10.1 and a SUSE 10.2 installation on the same hardware (on different partitions). I also have installed the same version of NVIDIA drivers. I''ve set the display resolution to the same as well (96 DPI). Despite of this the Arial font looks different on the two systems. The differences between SUSE 10.1 and 10.2 that might be related to this are: xorg-x11 - different versions fontconfig packages - different versions 10.1 has fontconfig-2.3.94-18.4, 10.2 has fontconfig-2.4.1-19. Please help me how I could trace why the same fonts look different and how to mek them look the same. I attach two images that show how the fonts look on 10.1 and 10.2. Thanks in advance, Istvan Gabor ___________________________________________________________ ?j ?v - ?j ?ll?s? M?rn?ki, ?rt?kes?t?i, asszisztensi, p?nz?gyi ?s IT ?ll?sok a Jobline.hu-n! http://ad.adverticum.net/b/cl,1,6022,135079,205796/click.prm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Arial-16-KDEcontrol-10.1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 54972 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/fontconfig/attachments/20070129/6346262c/Arial-16-KDEcontrol-10.1-0001.jpg -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Arial-16-KDEcontrol-10.2.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 53372 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/fontconfig/attachments/20070129/6346262c/Arial-16-KDEcontrol-10.2-0001.jpg
On 2007/01/29 16:30 (GMT+0100) Istvan Gabor apparently typed:> I have a problem that might be related to the fontconfig > system. I have a SUSE 10.1 and a SUSE 10.2 installation on > the same hardware (on different partitions). I also have > installed the same version of NVIDIA drivers. I''ve set the > display resolution to the same as well (96 DPI). Despite of this > the Arial font looks different on the two systems. The > differences between SUSE 10.1 and 10.2 that might be related > to this are: > xorg-x11 - different versions > fontconfig packages - different versions > 10.1 has fontconfig-2.3.94-18.4, > 10.2 has fontconfig-2.4.1-19.> Please help me how I could trace why the same fonts look > different and how to mek them look the same.> I attach two images that show how the fonts look on 10.1 and > 10.2.You''re seeing more than one problem, none of which I believe have anything to do with fontconfig (but I may be wrong). 1-SUSE 10.2 KDE has broken anti-alias configuration. It defaults to "full", but when set to "full" is actually off/none. Go into your personal settings and change your anti-alias setting to medium or slight according to your own preferences. I use medium. 2-The difference in font sizes in the screenshots show clearly that 10.1 and 10.2 are running different DPI. Since I don''t use NVidia drivers I can''t say exactly how to fix it, but it may be that UseEDIDdpi is being used in the latter and not the former or vice versa. http://www.mozilla.org/unix/dpi.html might be helpful in fine-tuning your DPI. It looks like your 2nd screenshot is the 10.2 one, probably still running 84 DPI like you wrote in your other thread, while the first is at the higher DPI of 96 as you set it. 16pt at 84 DPI is 18.67px, while 16pt at 96 DPI is 21.33px. http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/Font/font-helvetica.html might be helpful in doing comparisons. My 10.2 fonts are good, as were my 10.1 fonts, and their sizes haven''t changed. I''m using generic Intel & Matrox drivers on various 10.1 & 10.2 systems. -- "I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full." John 10:10 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/
On Mon, 2007-01-29 at 16:30 +0100, Istvan Gabor wrote:> Hello all: > > I have a problem that might be related to the fontconfig > system. I have a SUSE 10.1 and a SUSE 10.2 installation on > the same hardware (on different partitions). I also have > installed the same version of NVIDIA drivers. I''ve set the > display resolution to the same as well (96 DPI). Despite of this > the Arial font looks different on the two systems. The > differences between SUSE 10.1 and 10.2 that might be related > to this are: > xorg-x11 - different versions > fontconfig packages - different versions > 10.1 has fontconfig-2.3.94-18.4, > 10.2 has fontconfig-2.4.1-19. > > Please help me how I could trace why the same fonts look > different and how to mek them look the same.To me, looks like the 10.2 one has bytecode interpreter enabled in FreeType.> I attach two images that show how the fonts look on 10.1 and > 10.2. > > Thanks in advance, > Istvan Gabor > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > ?j ?v - ?j ?ll?s? M?rn?ki, ?rt?kes?t?i, asszisztensi, > p?nz?gyi ?s IT ?ll?sok a Jobline.hu-n! > http://ad.adverticum.net/b/cl,1,6022,135079,205796/click.prm > > _______________________________________________ > Fontconfig mailing list > Fontconfig@lists.freedesktop.org > http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/fontconfig-- behdad http://behdad.org/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/fontconfig/attachments/20070129/ef33e07c/attachment.pgp
Hi Felix:> > I attach two images that show how the fonts look on 10.1and> > 10.2. > > You''re seeing more than one problem, none of which Ibelieve have> anything to do with fontconfig (but I may be wrong). > > 1-SUSE 10.2 KDE has broken anti-alias configuration. Itdefaults to> "full", but when set to "full" is actually off/none. Go into your > personal settings and change your anti-alias setting tomedium or slight> according to your own preferences. I use medium.You are right. Changing hinting to medium resolved the problem. Why don''t SUSE people fix this, it can''t be that difficult? The strange is when I set hinting to none it''s still not the same as when I set it to (non working) full.> 2-The difference in font sizes in the screenshots showclearly that 10.1> and 10.2 are running different DPI. Since I don''t use NVidiadrivers I You are also right here. I had an "Xft.dpi: 75" line in /etc/ X11/Xresources that I added earlier according to one of your links and I forgot about. Thanks again, Istvan Gabor _______________________________________________________________ Ne csak a lak?st n?zze, hanem a k?rny?ket is! V?logasson t?bb ezer ingatlanb?l l?gifot?s-keres? seg?ts?g?vel! http://ad.adverticum.net/b/cl,1,6022,135082,205798/click.prm
Felix Miata <mrmazda@ij.net> ????????:> "full", but when set to "full" is actually off/none. Go into your > personal settings and change your anti-alias setting to medium or slight > according to your own preferences. I use medium.No, that''s not true. See my comments in http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=227498 -- Mike FABIAN <mfabian@suse.de> http://www.suse.de/~mfabian ????????????? I ? Unicode
Behdad Esfahbod <besfahbo@redhat.com> ????????:> On Mon, 2007-01-29 at 16:30 +0100, Istvan Gabor wrote: >> Hello all: >> >> I have a problem that might be related to the fontconfig >> system. I have a SUSE 10.1 and a SUSE 10.2 installation on >> the same hardware (on different partitions). I also have >> installed the same version of NVIDIA drivers. I''ve set the >> display resolution to the same as well (96 DPI). Despite of this >> the Arial font looks different on the two systems. The >> differences between SUSE 10.1 and 10.2 that might be related >> to this are: >> xorg-x11 - different versions >> fontconfig packages - different versions >> 10.1 has fontconfig-2.3.94-18.4, >> 10.2 has fontconfig-2.4.1-19. >> >> Please help me how I could trace why the same fonts look >> different and how to mek them look the same. > > To me, looks like the 10.2 one has bytecode interpreter enabled in > FreeType.Yes. -- Mike FABIAN <mfabian@suse.de> http://www.suse.de/~mfabian ????????????? I ? Unicode
Istvan Gabor <suseuser04@freemail.hu> ????????:> You are right. Changing hinting to medium resolved the > problem.That forces the autohinter instead of the byte code interpreter. See http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/freetype-devel/2007-01/msg00067.htm> Why don''t SUSE people fix this, it can''t be that > difficult?Because it''s a feature, not a bug.,> The strange is when I set hinting to none it''s still not the same > as when I set it to (non working) full.Of course not because when you set it to full you get rendering with the byte code interpreter. When you set it to none you get no hinting at all. -- Mike FABIAN <mfabian@suse.de> http://www.suse.de/~mfabian ????????????? I ? Unicode