I am still getting BigNoiseMusic for Helvetica, with no clue why. I found fc-list; it produces several Arials in its list, but no Helvetica. I looked in the documentation. Unfortunately there is no man page for fc-list or fc-cache, and running fc-cache as myself produces no output. I don''t want to run it as root until I know what it is. The documentation consists mostly of doc of libfontconfig routines. How does fontconfig interact with the X server? How do I get it to reread its configuration and update the X server? How can I find, given a font name, which file it gets the font from? phma -- li fi''u vu''u fi''u fi''u du li pa