Hi, sorry Ambrose, I forgot to Reply-All. The rest of you the message is attached. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: John Smith <mimsyboro@gmail.com> Date: Apr 13, 2005 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fontconfig] My strange font problem To: Ambrose Li <acli@ada.dhs.org> I don''t know. Like I said I formated the computer in between and still to no avail. But it might be that it is because my Mandrake installation uses XFree86 and Ubuntu X.org. I''m linking two screenshots. One of Mandrake and one of Ubuntu (with the problem). Notice that also the English is uglier in Ubuntu, (and the Hebrew is terrible) http://www.geocities.com/mimsyboro/Mandrake.png http://www.geocities.com/mimsyboro/Ubuntu.png Mimsy On 4/13/05, Ambrose Li <acli@ada.dhs.org> wrote:> Hi, > > I suppose this problem only occurs for monospaced fonts like > Courier, is that right? If it is, this would sound like the > same problem that''s been affecting Chinese (and seems to have > become worse recently). > > The reason why uninstalling the fonts didn''t work is probably > because it''s a fontconfig/freetype/pango problem, and it is > quite difficult to downgrade components in Debian (imho). > > If this is the "global advance" problem described some time ago, > then I think it''s time we ignore "global advance" for all fonts > for good, since this seems to be not just a CJK problem, but > a problem for an unknown number of fonts affecting an unknown > number of languages. And the list of the affected fonts seems to > include even Microsoft system fonts (Courier, MS Song, etc.) > > Regards, > Ambrose > > On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 06:18:19PM +0000, John Smith wrote: > > > Hello, I have a very strange font problem. I don''t know if > > this is the right place to ask but I''m going nuts. > > > > I have a triple-booting Windows/Mandrake/Ubuntu laptop. I > > do most of my work in Linux in Hebrew using emacs-bidi. > > Under Mandrake I installed my fonts from windows especially > > Courier-New because it one of the only good unicode fonts with > > full Hebrew support. > > > > I then installed them under Ubuntu and everything was fine > > untill I tried installing the msttcorefonts package around > > this time I also upgraded to X.org from XFree86-4 I don''t know > > if this is related. Once installing this using Courier-New in > > emacs in Ubuntu looks really terrible. > > > > I didn''t really understand what happened so I uninstalled the > > package and all rememnants of the font and then reinstalled, > > but to no avail. > > > > So when a new Ubuntu was released (last week), I formated the > > old Ubuntu partition and reinstalled and then installed the > > Courier-New font from my Windows partition. > > > > But alas the font still looks terrible in English and in > > Hebrew not only is it terrible there is a double spacing > > between Hebrew lines in that font. > > > > Please help me I''m desperate.... > > > > Thanks In Advance, > > Mimsy >
Hi, I suppose this problem only occurs for monospaced fonts like Courier, is that right? If it is, this would sound like the same problem that''s been affecting Chinese (and seems to have become worse recently). The reason why uninstalling the fonts didn''t work is probably because it''s a fontconfig/freetype/pango problem, and it is quite difficult to downgrade components in Debian (imho). If this is the "global advance" problem described some time ago, then I think it''s time we ignore "global advance" for all fonts for good, since this seems to be not just a CJK problem, but a problem for an unknown number of fonts affecting an unknown number of languages. And the list of the affected fonts seems to include even Microsoft system fonts (Courier, MS Song, etc.) Regards, Ambrose On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 06:18:19PM +0000, John Smith wrote:> Hello, I have a very strange font problem. I don''t know if > this is the right place to ask but I''m going nuts. > > I have a triple-booting Windows/Mandrake/Ubuntu laptop. I > do most of my work in Linux in Hebrew using emacs-bidi. > Under Mandrake I installed my fonts from windows especially > Courier-New because it one of the only good unicode fonts with > full Hebrew support. > > I then installed them under Ubuntu and everything was fine > untill I tried installing the msttcorefonts package around > this time I also upgraded to X.org from XFree86-4 I don''t know > if this is related. Once installing this using Courier-New in > emacs in Ubuntu looks really terrible. > > I didn''t really understand what happened so I uninstalled the > package and all rememnants of the font and then reinstalled, > but to no avail. > > So when a new Ubuntu was released (last week), I formated the > old Ubuntu partition and reinstalled and then installed the > Courier-New font from my Windows partition. > > But alas the font still looks terrible in English and in > Hebrew not only is it terrible there is a double spacing > between Hebrew lines in that font. > > Please help me I''m desperate.... > > Thanks In Advance, > Mimsy
Oh, it''s a different problem than what I thought then. (Nothing to do with "global advance"... Sorry.) This looks like a hinting problem with Freetype. I don''t think it has anything to do with XFree vs X.org. On Wed, Apr 13, 2005 at 06:15:55PM +0200, John Smith wrote: [...]> I''m linking two screenshots. One of Mandrake and one of Ubuntu > (with the problem). > > Notice that also the English is uglier in Ubuntu, (and the > Hebrew is terrible) > > http://www.geocities.com/mimsyboro/Mandrake.png > http://www.geocities.com/mimsyboro/Ubuntu.png > > Mimsy
Hello, I have a very strange font problem. I don''t know if this is the right place to ask but I''m going nuts. I have a triple-booting Windows/Mandrake/Ubuntu laptop. I do most of my work in Linux in Hebrew using emacs-bidi. Under Mandrake I installed my fonts from windows especially Courier-New because it one of the only good unicode fonts with full Hebrew support. I then installed them under Ubuntu and everything was fine untill I tried installing the msttcorefonts package around this time I also upgraded to X.org from XFree86-4 I don''t know if this is related. Once installing this using Courier-New in emacs in Ubuntu looks really terrible. I didn''t really understand what happened so I uninstalled the package and all rememnants of the font and then reinstalled, but to no avail. So when a new Ubuntu was released (last week), I formated the old Ubuntu partition and reinstalled and then installed the Courier-New font from my Windows partition. But alas the font still looks terrible in English and in Hebrew not only is it terrible there is a double spacing between Hebrew lines in that font. Please help me I''m desperate.... Thanks In Advance, Mimsy