flac dev - Sep 2004 - streaming flac?

On Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 06:04:53PM -0700, Josh Coalson wrote:
> --- "smoerk@gmx.de" <smoerk@gmx.de> wrote:
> > is there a solution to stream flac files? maybe it's possible to
> stream
> > a ogg-flac file through the icecast2 server, but is ogg-flac working?
> > 
> I think Matt Zimmerman hacked one version to write FLAC into an Ogg wrapper
> but that's as far as it went.  I couldn't pick up the ball at that
point, but
> it seems theoretically possible...
I believe icecast needs to know things like the bitrate of the encoded data,
which would be codec-specific, so icecast would need be modified to know about
the hypothetical ogg-flac format.  It should also be possible to stream FLAC
data directly.

In order to make the most of Ogg, FLAC would have to omit some of its internal
streaming data, and let Ogg handle framing, restarting, etc.  Integration of
FLAC with Ogg seems like a good post-1.0 project.  Would it make most sense to
support both Ogg-encapsulated and plain FLAC formats, or switch to Ogg
full-time?

-- 
 - mdz

>> In order to make the most of Ogg, FLAC would have to omit some of
its internal
>> streaming data, and let Ogg handle framing, restarting, etc. 
Integration of
>> FLAC with Ogg seems like a good post-1.0 project.  Would it make
most sense to
>> support both Ogg-encapsulated and plain FLAC formats, or switch to
Ogg
>> full-time?
> 
> If it's possible to integrate flac codec in the official ogg
> distribution it would make sense to switch to ogg/flac. 
> 
That probably would not happen for a couple of reasons.  The main
one is that I think Monty is pretty set on redoing Squish in the
future.  Another is that removing the system-level and metadata
stuff from FLAC so it fits nicely in Ogg is a lot of work that I
really can't do in the forseeable future.

Josh


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>I believe icecast needs to know things like the bitrate of the encoded data,
>which would be codec-specific, so icecast would need be modified to know
about
>the hypothetical ogg-flac format.
I'm not sure if icecast have to be modified or if it could stream
non-vorbis files too. Jack Moffitt should know the answer.
>It should also be possible to stream FLAC
>data directly.
should be possible too, but does it make sense to write another
streaming server?
>In order to make the most of Ogg, FLAC would have to omit some of its
internal
>streaming data, and let Ogg handle framing, restarting, etc.  Integration of
>FLAC with Ogg seems like a good post-1.0 project.  Would it make most sense
to
>support both Ogg-encapsulated and plain FLAC formats, or switch to Ogg
>full-time?
If it's possible to integrate flac codec in the official ogg
distribution it would make sense to switch to ogg/flac.