Ferret talk - Feb 2009 - Two Shared Indices(sp?) in aaf.rb file (for Acts_as_ferret)

Hi all,

I''m trying to add two shared indices to the aaf.rb file, however it is
not working.  I currently have one shared index, but that index has a  
condition on it, and i''m not sure how to go about creating another  
index without this condition in it for my forum, which i want to  
search only the forum, topics and messages.

Within aaf.rb i tried to comma separate thecode: eg.g

  ActsAsFerret::define_index (''one''....), 
ActsAsFerret::define_index
(''two''....)

To no avail.

I also tried to add another aaf2.rb file to the original call when  
aaf.rb, and include both of these files when aaf.rb is loaded but no  
dice either.

thoughts?

Hi,

I''m not sure if this is what you''re trying, but having the
same model
belong to two or more index is impossible with acts_as_ferret.

Cheers,
Jens

On 01.02.2009, at 16:49, Philip Ingram wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I''m trying to add two shared indices to the aaf.rb file, however
it
> is not working.  I currently have one shared index, but that index  
> has a condition on it, and i''m not sure how to go about creating  
> another index without this condition in it for my forum, which i  
> want to search only the forum, topics and messages.
>
> Within aaf.rb i tried to comma separate thecode: eg.g
>
> ActsAsFerret::define_index (''one''....), 
ActsAsFerret::define_index
> (''two''....)
>
> To no avail.
>
> I also tried to add another aaf2.rb file to the original call when  
> aaf.rb, and include both of these files when aaf.rb is loaded but no  
> dice either.
>
> thoughts?
> _______________________________________________
> Ferret-talk mailing list
> Ferret-talk at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ferret-talk
>
--
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Schnorrstra?e 76 | 01069 Dresden
Telefon +49351467660 | Telefax +493514676666
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Hi Jens,

No, but i didn''t know that either, so thank you.

What i''m trying is to do the following, All of this code below is in  
aaf.rb (hopefully the formatting shows up in this email).
ActsAsFerret::define_index(''site_index'',
  :models => {
    Product  => {:fields => [:name, :company]},
    Post    => {:fields => [:title, :body]},
    Prategory => {:fields => [:name]}
  },
  :ferret   => {
    :default_fields => [:name, :company, :title, :body, :name]
  }
),
ActsAsFerret::define_index(''forumindex'',
   :models => {
     Topics => {:fields => [:title]},
     Messages => {:fields => [:title, :content]}
   },
   :ferret => {
     :default_fields => [:title, :title, :content]
   }
)

Now, i get errors when i try to do this, but essentially i want to  
somehow use ''site_Index'' to search those models across all of
my site,
and only ''forumindex'' when i put the search fields on the
forum.

IN my Search_controller.rb file i have:
def search
     per_page = 15
     @results = ActsAsFerret.find(params[:q], ''site_index'',
{:page =>
params[:page], :per_page => per_page}, :conditions => ["account_id  
= ?", current_account.id] )
   end

   def forum
     per_page = 30
     @results = ActsAsFerret.find(params[:q], ''forumindex'',
{:page =>
params[:page], :per_page => per_page})
   end

Notice that i have a condition statement for current_account''s on  
site_index. Am i doing this wrong?  Is there a better way to add  
conditions that i''m unaware of?

I do love the benefits of a shared index, but i''m wondering if more  
then on index can be written at a time?

thoughts?

On 1-Feb-09, at 1:16 PM, Jens Kr?mer wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I''m not sure if this is what you''re trying, but having
the same
> model belong to two or more index is impossible with acts_as_ferret.
>
> Cheers,
> Jens
>
> On 01.02.2009, at 16:49, Philip Ingram wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I''m trying to add two shared indices to the aaf.rb file,
however it
>> is not working.  I currently have one shared index, but that index  
>> has a condition on it, and i''m not sure how to go about
creating
>> another index without this condition in it for my forum, which i  
>> want to search only the forum, topics and messages.
>>
>> Within aaf.rb i tried to comma separate thecode: eg.g
>>
>> ActsAsFerret::define_index (''one''....), 
ActsAsFerret::define_index
>> (''two''....)
>>
>> To no avail.
>>
>> I also tried to add another aaf2.rb file to the original call when  
>> aaf.rb, and include both of these files when aaf.rb is loaded but  
>> no dice either.
>>
>> thoughts?
>> _______________________________________________
>> Ferret-talk mailing list
>> Ferret-talk at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ferret-talk
>>
>
> --
> Jens Kr?mer
> webit! Gesellschaft f?r neue Medien mbH
> Schnorrstra?e 76 | 01069 Dresden
> Telefon +49351467660 | Telefax +493514676666
> kraemer at webit.de | www.webit.de
>
> Amtsgericht Dresden | HRB 15422
> GF Sven Haubold
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ferret-talk mailing list
> Ferret-talk at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ferret-talk

Hi Phillip,

basically what you have there should work if you removed the comma  
(aaf.rb is a standard ruby file, and each define_index call is just a  
statement, so a newline or '';'' is what you should use for
separation
of these two calls).

If this doesn''t help - what''s the exact error you get (and
when - at
application startup, when indexing or when searching?)

Cheers,
Jens

On 01.02.2009, at 22:04, Philip Ingram wrote:
> Hi Jens,
>
> No, but i didn''t know that either, so thank you.
>
> What i''m trying is to do the following, All of this code below is
in
> aaf.rb (hopefully the formatting shows up in this email).
> ActsAsFerret::define_index(''site_index'',
> :models => {
>   Product  => {:fields => [:name, :company]},
>   Post    => {:fields => [:title, :body]},
>   Prategory => {:fields => [:name]}
> },
> :ferret   => {
>   :default_fields => [:name, :company, :title, :body, :name]
> }
> ),
> ActsAsFerret::define_index(''forumindex'',
>  :models => {
>    Topics => {:fields => [:title]},
>    Messages => {:fields => [:title, :content]}
>  },
>  :ferret => {
>    :default_fields => [:title, :title, :content]
>  }
> )
>
> Now, i get errors when i try to do this, but essentially i want to  
> somehow use ''site_Index'' to search those models across
all of my
> site, and only ''forumindex'' when i put the search fields
on the forum.
>
> IN my Search_controller.rb file i have:
> def search
>    per_page = 15
>    @results = ActsAsFerret.find(params[:q], ''site_index'',
{:page =>
> params[:page], :per_page => per_page}, :conditions =>
["account_id
> = ?", current_account.id] )
>  end
>
>  def forum
>    per_page = 30
>    @results = ActsAsFerret.find(params[:q], ''forumindex'',
{:page =>
> params[:page], :per_page => per_page})
>  end
>
> Notice that i have a condition statement for current_account''s on
> site_index. Am i doing this wrong?  Is there a better way to add  
> conditions that i''m unaware of?
>
> I do love the benefits of a shared index, but i''m wondering if
more
> then on index can be written at a time?
>
> thoughts?
>
> On 1-Feb-09, at 1:16 PM, Jens Kr?mer wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I''m not sure if this is what you''re trying, but
having the same
>> model belong to two or more index is impossible with acts_as_ferret.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jens
>>
>> On 01.02.2009, at 16:49, Philip Ingram wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I''m trying to add two shared indices to the aaf.rb file,
however
>>> it is not working.  I currently have one shared index, but that  
>>> index has a condition on it, and i''m not sure how to go
about
>>> creating another index without this condition in it for my forum,  
>>> which i want to search only the forum, topics and messages.
>>>
>>> Within aaf.rb i tried to comma separate thecode: eg.g
>>>
>>> ActsAsFerret::define_index (''one''....),   
>>> ActsAsFerret::define_index (''two''....)
>>>
>>> To no avail.
>>>
>>> I also tried to add another aaf2.rb file to the original call when
>>> aaf.rb, and include both of these files when aaf.rb is loaded but  
>>> no dice either.
>>>
>>> thoughts?
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Ferret-talk mailing list
>>> Ferret-talk at rubyforge.org
>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ferret-talk
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Jens Kr?mer
>> webit! Gesellschaft f?r neue Medien mbH
>> Schnorrstra?e 76 | 01069 Dresden
>> Telefon +49351467660 | Telefax +493514676666
>> kraemer at webit.de | www.webit.de
>>
>> Amtsgericht Dresden | HRB 15422
>> GF Sven Haubold
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Ferret-talk mailing list
>> Ferret-talk at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ferret-talk
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ferret-talk mailing list
> Ferret-talk at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ferret-talk
>
--
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Finkenlust 14, 06449 Aschersleben, Germany
VAT Id DE251962952
http://www.jkraemer.net/ - Blog
http://www.omdb.org/     - The new free film database

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Thanks Jens,

no comma, worked like a charm.

i now have two shared indexes in aaf.rb.

I''m looking for some reassurance from you and this project.  are you  
still going to maintain it?  i''d love to help down the road, if
you''d
let me of course, as ferret/aaf rebuilds the search index when new  
items are added, automagically.  i''m sure it''s more
complicated then
that of course, however, i don''t need to run a rake task and try to  
guess when i should run it, depending on how busy my site is.

All the hip kids are using sphinx and there was a rumour out there  
that ferret hasn''t been worked on for like 2 years. is that true?  if  
you want to email me directly, i''m fine with that too, but would love  
to hear about the direction of the project,, and if it''s not long  
term, i might as well go with sphinx, rake tasks and delta indexes and  
all...  i''m launching a new site where search is going to be prevalent
in it, hence these questions.

thanks again jens,
keep up the great work.
phil
On 10-Feb-09, at 4:03 AM, Jens Kraemer wrote:
> Hi Phillip,
>
> basically what you have there should work if you removed the comma  
> (aaf.rb is a standard ruby file, and each define_index call is just  
> a statement, so a newline or '';'' is what you should use
for
> separation of these two calls).
>
> If this doesn''t help - what''s the exact error you get
(and when - at
> application startup, when indexing or when searching?)
>
> Cheers,
> Jens
>
> On 01.02.2009, at 22:04, Philip Ingram wrote:
>
>> Hi Jens,
>>
>> No, but i didn''t know that either, so thank you.
>>
>> What i''m trying is to do the following, All of this code below
is
>> in aaf.rb (hopefully the formatting shows up in this email).
>> ActsAsFerret::define_index(''site_index'',
>> :models => {
>>  Product  => {:fields => [:name, :company]},
>>  Post    => {:fields => [:title, :body]},
>>  Prategory => {:fields => [:name]}
>> },
>> :ferret   => {
>>  :default_fields => [:name, :company, :title, :body, :name]
>> }
>> ),
>> ActsAsFerret::define_index(''forumindex'',
>> :models => {
>>   Topics => {:fields => [:title]},
>>   Messages => {:fields => [:title, :content]}
>> },
>> :ferret => {
>>   :default_fields => [:title, :title, :content]
>> }
>> )
>>
>> Now, i get errors when i try to do this, but essentially i want to  
>> somehow use ''site_Index'' to search those models
across all of my
>> site, and only ''forumindex'' when i put the search
fields on the
>> forum.
>>
>> IN my Search_controller.rb file i have:
>> def search
>>   per_page = 15
>>   @results = ActsAsFerret.find(params[:q],
''site_index'', {:page =>
>> params[:page], :per_page => per_page}, :conditions =>
["account_id
>> = ?", current_account.id] )
>> end
>>
>> def forum
>>   per_page = 30
>>   @results = ActsAsFerret.find(params[:q],
''forumindex'', {:page =>
>> params[:page], :per_page => per_page})
>> end
>>
>> Notice that i have a condition statement for current_account''s
on
>> site_index. Am i doing this wrong?  Is there a better way to add  
>> conditions that i''m unaware of?
>>
>> I do love the benefits of a shared index, but i''m wondering if
more
>> then on index can be written at a time?
>>
>> thoughts?
>>
>> On 1-Feb-09, at 1:16 PM, Jens Kr?mer wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I''m not sure if this is what you''re trying, but
having the same
>>> model belong to two or more index is impossible with
acts_as_ferret.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jens
>>>
>>> On 01.02.2009, at 16:49, Philip Ingram wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I''m trying to add two shared indices to the aaf.rb
file, however
>>>> it is not working.  I currently have one shared index, but that
>>>> index has a condition on it, and i''m not sure how to
go about
>>>> creating another index without this condition in it for my
forum,
>>>> which i want to search only the forum, topics and messages.
>>>>
>>>> Within aaf.rb i tried to comma separate thecode: eg.g
>>>>
>>>> ActsAsFerret::define_index (''one''....),   
>>>> ActsAsFerret::define_index (''two''....)
>>>>
>>>> To no avail.
>>>>
>>>> I also tried to add another aaf2.rb file to the original call  
>>>> when aaf.rb, and include both of these files when aaf.rb is  
>>>> loaded but no dice either.
>>>>
>>>> thoughts?
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Ferret-talk mailing list
>>>> Ferret-talk at rubyforge.org
>>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ferret-talk
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jens Kr?mer
>>> webit! Gesellschaft f?r neue Medien mbH
>>> Schnorrstra?e 76 | 01069 Dresden
>>> Telefon +49351467660 | Telefax +493514676666
>>> kraemer at webit.de | www.webit.de
>>>
>>> Amtsgericht Dresden | HRB 15422
>>> GF Sven Haubold
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Ferret-talk mailing list
>>> Ferret-talk at rubyforge.org
>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ferret-talk
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Ferret-talk mailing list
>> Ferret-talk at rubyforge.org
>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ferret-talk
>>
>
> --
> Jens Kr?mer
> Finkenlust 14, 06449 Aschersleben, Germany
> VAT Id DE251962952
> http://www.jkraemer.net/ - Blog
> http://www.omdb.org/     - The new free film database
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ferret-talk mailing list
> Ferret-talk at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ferret-talk

Hi,

On 11.02.2009, at 05:11, Philip Ingram wrote:
>
> no comma, worked like a charm.
great :-)
> All the hip kids are using sphinx and there was a rumour out there  
> that ferret hasn''t been worked on for like 2 years. is that true?
> if you want to email me directly, i''m fine with that too, but
would
> love to hear about the direction of the project,, and if it''s not
> long term, i might as well go with sphinx, rake tasks and delta  
> indexes and all...  i''m launching a new site where search is going
> to be prevalent in it, hence these questions.
As you can see on github, the last commit to Ferret''s code base was on
Jan 02 this year: http://github.com/dbalmain/ferret/tree/master

I''m personally using aaf in several projects, among them a knowledge  
management system where search also is a key part of the application,  
so I''ll for sure continue maintenance and development of the plugin  
(as time permits, which in the last few months for sure has been a  
problem). Patches are always welcome of course. I also plan to do a  
major rewrite of the whole plugin as soon as possible.

Regarding sphinx - while it might be an ok solution for really simple  
use cases and also might beat aaf regarding re-indexing time, it  
simply doesn''t suit my needs when it comes to more complex scenarios.  
Ferret is much more capable regarding supported queries and IR  
features in general, and aaf''s Rails integration saves you much of the
maintenance hassles you mentioned. And you aren''t limited to content  
stored in the database with Ferret and aaf - I have a project where I  
crawl static html via rdig and index a product database, and all can  
be searched at once through a simple search form...


Cheers,
Jens

--
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Finkenlust 14, 06449 Aschersleben, Germany
VAT Id DE251962952
http://www.jkraemer.net/ - Blog
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Jens, thanks again for the words.

i''ve got one more question regarding searching by associations with  
aaf.  Is it possible?

for instance, i have an account model and a forum, with topics and  
messages.

I''d love to search by current_account.topics for instance.

Using this shared index, can i do this (mind you it doesn''t work so  
i''m wondering if you have any hints?!?!
>> ActsAsFerret::define_index(''forumindex'',
>> :models => {
>>  current_account.topics => {:fields => [:title]},
>>  current_account.messages => {:fields => [:title, :content]}
>> },
>> :ferret => {
>>  :default_fields => [:title, :title, :content]
>> }
>> )
Thoughts?

Addendum: Although current_account is a controller method in  
application.rb, maybe that''s why it won''t work. i just
don''t k now
enough to put it in the model however.

thanks
Phil.
On 11-Feb-09, at 4:48 AM, Jens Kraemer wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 11.02.2009, at 05:11, Philip Ingram wrote:
>>
>> no comma, worked like a charm.
>
> great :-)
>
>> All the hip kids are using sphinx and there was a rumour out there  
>> that ferret hasn''t been worked on for like 2 years. is that
true?
>> if you want to email me directly, i''m fine with that too, but
would
>> love to hear about the direction of the project,, and if it''s
not
>> long term, i might as well go with sphinx, rake tasks and delta  
>> indexes and all...  i''m launching a new site where search is
going
>> to be prevalent in it, hence these questions.
>
> As you can see on github, the last commit to Ferret''s code base
was
> on Jan 02 this year: http://github.com/dbalmain/ferret/tree/master
>
> I''m personally using aaf in several projects, among them a
knowledge
> management system where search also is a key part of the  
> application, so I''ll for sure continue maintenance and development
> of the plugin (as time permits, which in the last few months for  
> sure has been a problem). Patches are always welcome of course. I  
> also plan to do a major rewrite of the whole plugin as soon as  
> possible.
>
> Regarding sphinx - while it might be an ok solution for really  
> simple use cases and also might beat aaf regarding re-indexing time,  
> it simply doesn''t suit my needs when it comes to more complex  
> scenarios. Ferret is much more capable regarding supported queries  
> and IR features in general, and aaf''s Rails integration saves you
> much of the maintenance hassles you mentioned. And you aren''t  
> limited to content stored in the database with Ferret and aaf - I  
> have a project where I crawl static html via rdig and index a  
> product database, and all can be searched at once through a simple  
> search form...
>
>
> Cheers,
> Jens
>
> --
> Jens Kr?mer
> Finkenlust 14, 06449 Aschersleben, Germany
> VAT Id DE251962952
> http://www.jkraemer.net/ - Blog
> http://www.omdb.org/     - The new free film database
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ferret-talk mailing list
> Ferret-talk at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ferret-talk