Fedora xen - Sep 2007 - Xen Windows paravirtualized drivers in Fedora 7?

http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid39_gci1271570,00.html

"Finally, Klein said the Windows drivers are already included in the latest
Fedora 7 updates but he hasn''t had a chance to test them yet.
"They are
clearly sticking to the timeline they suggested at the Red Hat Summit, in
that they won''t be releasing the paravirt drivers for Windows until
after
the 5.1 release," Klein said."

Could someone comment on this.. 

Xen in Fedora 7 includes windows paravirtualized drivers??

-- Pasi

On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 03:05:04PM +0300, Pasi K?rkk?inen
wrote:
> 
>
http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid39_gci1271570,00.html
> 
> "Finally, Klein said the Windows drivers are already included in the
latest
> Fedora 7 updates but he hasn''t had a chance to test them yet.
"They are
> clearly sticking to the timeline they suggested at the Red Hat Summit, in
> that they won''t be releasing the paravirt drivers for Windows
until after
> the 5.1 release," Klein said."
> 
> Could someone comment on this.. 
> 
> Xen in Fedora 7 includes windows paravirtualized drivers??
No, that journalist is wrong. There are not any windows drivers currently 
available in F7. 

Dan.
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It was my understanding that windows drivers in paravairtualization is 
not possible because of the windows kernel, not because of lack of 
drivers.  For it to work properly the kernel would need altered which is 
against the EULA of Microsoft.  At least that was my understanding.
Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote:
>
http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid39_gci1271570,00.html
>
> "Finally, Klein said the Windows drivers are already included in the
latest
> Fedora 7 updates but he hasn''t had a chance to test them yet.
"They are
> clearly sticking to the timeline they suggested at the Red Hat Summit, in
> that they won''t be releasing the paravirt drivers for Windows
until after
> the 5.1 release," Klein said."
>
> Could someone comment on this.. 
>
> Xen in Fedora 7 includes windows paravirtualized drivers??
>
> -- Pasi
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On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 02:06:45PM +0100, Daniel P. Berrange
wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 03:05:04PM +0300, Pasi K?rkk?inen wrote:
> > 
> >
http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid39_gci1271570,00.html
> > 
> > "Finally, Klein said the Windows drivers are already included in
the latest
> > Fedora 7 updates but he hasn''t had a chance to test them yet.
"They are
> > clearly sticking to the timeline they suggested at the Red Hat Summit,
in
> > that they won''t be releasing the paravirt drivers for Windows
until after
> > the 5.1 release," Klein said."
> > 
> > Could someone comment on this.. 
> > 
> > Xen in Fedora 7 includes windows paravirtualized drivers??
> 
> No, that journalist is wrong. There are not any windows drivers currently 
> available in F7. 
> 
That''s what I thought too.. I was wondering if I had missed something
:)

Thanks.

-- Pasi

On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 09:08:11AM -0400, achan@jonathan360.com
wrote:
> It was my understanding that windows drivers in paravairtualization is 
> not possible because of the windows kernel, not because of lack of 
> drivers.  For it to work properly the kernel would need altered which is 
> against the EULA of Microsoft.  At least that was my understanding.
Nope, that''s not true.

Xensource, Virtual Iron and Novell have Windows paravirtualized drivers
available for Xen, but they are commercial and only work with their products.. 
and I think Redhat is planning to have them later this year as well.

I think nothing prevents making opensource windows paravirtualized xen
drivers.. the problem is that it''s so huge job, that noone has done
that
yet.. or people/companies who have done that, want to get paid for their
work.. 

-- Pasi
> Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote:
>
>http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid39_gci1271570,00.html
> >
> >"Finally, Klein said the Windows drivers are already included in
the latest
> >Fedora 7 updates but he hasn''t had a chance to test them yet.
"They are
> >clearly sticking to the timeline they suggested at the Red Hat Summit,
in
> >that they won''t be releasing the paravirt drivers for Windows
until after
> >the 5.1 release," Klein said."
> >
> >Could someone comment on this.. 
> >
> >Xen in Fedora 7 includes windows paravirtualized drivers??
> >
> >-- Pasi
> >

On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 09:08:11AM -0400, achan@jonathan360.com
wrote:
> It was my understanding that windows drivers in paravairtualization is 
> not possible because of the windows kernel, not because of lack of 
> drivers.  For it to work properly the kernel would need altered which is 
> against the EULA of Microsoft.  At least that was my understanding.
That is partially true. If you want to use the DDK, then it is not possible
to make your drivers GPL, but you could choose other open source licenses
I believe. You would end up with a situation where the source was technically
one license, but the binary became a different license. eg BSD source, but
Combined BSD / Microsoft DDK for the binary.  In theory you don''t have
to
use the DDK, but not doing so would involve huge amounts of extra programming
work. It all rather sucks, but that''s Windows for you. IANAL btw :-)

Dan.
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