Fedora directory users - Apr 2009 - atomically delete subtree (non leaf)

hi all,

usually ldap isn''t able to atomically delete a subtree (non-leaf). This
is
annoying while cleaning eg. an user addressbook of thousands of contacts.

Can fedora directory server manage in some way this kind of deletion 
atomically?

If not, do you think it''s an interesting feature?

Peace, R.
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Roberto Polli wrote:
> hi all,
>
> usually ldap isn''t able to atomically delete a subtree (non-leaf).
This is
> annoying while cleaning eg. an user addressbook of thousands of contacts.
>
> Can fedora directory server manage in some way this kind of deletion 
> atomically?
>   
No.
> If not, do you think it''s an interesting feature?
>   
Yes.  We should investigate this as part of subtree rename.  At the very 
least, you could rename your subtree (e.g. move ou=contacts to 
ou=deletedcontacts then delete ou=deletedcontacts while you repopulate 
ou=contacts).
> Peace, R.
>

On venerdì 17 aprile 2009 17:17:21 Rich Megginson wrote:
>  We should investigate this as part of subtree rename.  At the very
> least, you could rename your subtree (e.g. move ou=contacts to
> ou=deletedcontacts then delete ou=deletedcontacts while you repopulate
> ou=contacts).
I''ll try and let you know.
Just to know, why removing subtree have never be implemented in ldap?

Thx+Peace,
R.


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Roberto Polli
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Roberto Polli wrote:
> On venerdì 17 aprile 2009 17:17:21 Rich Megginson wrote:
>   
>>  We should investigate this as part of subtree rename.  At the very
>> least, you could rename your subtree (e.g. move ou=contacts to
>> ou=deletedcontacts then delete ou=deletedcontacts while you repopulate
>> ou=contacts).
>>     
> I''ll try and let you know.
>   
Try what?  subtree rename is not currently implemented.
> Just to know, why removing subtree have never be implemented in ldap?
>   
Good question.
> Thx+Peace,
> R.
>
>
>

Rich Megginson wrote:
> Roberto Polli wrote:
>> usually ldap isn''t able to atomically delete a subtree
(non-leaf).
>> [..]
>> If not, do you think it''s an interesting feature?
>>   
> Yes.  We should investigate this as part of subtree rename.
Most LDAP servers implement this control (also supported in my web2ldap):

http://tools.ietf.org/draft/draft-armijo-ldap-treedelete/

Ciao, Michael.

On venerdì 17 aprile 2009 18:14:30 Michael Ströder
wrote:
> Most LDAP servers implement this control (also supported in my web2ldap):
> http://tools.ietf.org/draft/draft-armijo-ldap-treedelete/
it was the first thing I saw, but seems that only OpenDS Server supports it..
do you know other servers?

richm wrote:
> ..you could rename your subtree ..
;) it seemed strange to me, but I thought it was a new feature :)))

Thx+Peace, R.


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Roberto Polli
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Roberto Polli wrote:
> On venerdì 17 aprile 2009 18:14:30 Michael Ströder wrote:
>> Most LDAP servers implement this control (also supported in my
web2ldap):
>> http://tools.ietf.org/draft/draft-armijo-ldap-treedelete/
> it was the first thing I saw, but seems that only OpenDS Server supports
it..
> do you know other servers?
>From memory MS AD and OpenLDAP (at least for back-sql).
There might be others but I''m too lazy to look through all the ones
listed at http://www.web2ldap.de/compability.html#ldap_servers

Ciao, Michael.

On sabato 18 aprile 2009 13:13:36 Michael Ströder wrote:
> There might be others but I''m too lazy to look through all the
ones
> listed at http://www.web2ldap.de/compability.html#ldap_servers
as I got time I''ll let you know more, thx++

Peace, 
R.


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