I think the only thing they will gain is a community that is angry and will in the end leave the product / fork the complete product. Jan Hugo On November 2, 2022 5:39:53 PM GMT+01:00, Brad Schuetz <brad at omnis.com> wrote:>On 11/2/22 03:54, Aki Tuomi wrote: >>> On 02/11/2022 11:55 EET Frank Wall <fw at moov.de> wrote: >>> >>> On 2022-11-02 09:11, Aki Tuomi wrote: >>>> You can also see the email sent by others which shows how you can do >>>> this without replication, using proxy and passdb to direct users to >>>> right backend. Which is basically what director does. >>> It's not the same thing. >>> >>>> It is not critical functionality. You can feasibly run a two-node >>>> dovecot system on NFS without having director. >>> It seems to be critical enough to offer a replacement for paying >>> customers, while at the same time leaving the community edition >>> with no valid replacement. >>> >>> >>> Ciao >>> - Frank >> Can you tell me what kind of functionality you are unable to achieve with the passdb solution? >> >> Aki > >Can you tell us what you are gaining (other than monitarily) by removing a completely functionally working feature that numerous people are using? > >Adding new paid features is one thing (i.e. nginx), taking away a feature to replace it with a paid feature is something completely different. > >-- >Brad > >-- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://dovecot.org/pipermail/dovecot/attachments/20221102/1a320871/attachment.htm>
It would certainly be a shame if that sort of thing started happening
with Dovecot. Since day one, the Dovecot community has always been very
pleasant, friendly, and drama-free. If forks start happening due to
profiteering, that will irrevocably change the Dovecot community, with
feelings of broken trust.
That would be a shame.
No one decries the commercial side of Dovecot wanting to make money.
Timo and others have worked very hard on this project for many years. I
was a very early adopter of Dovecot, a refugee from (the awful) Cyrus
IMAP server, and I watched it grow up to be a highly useful and widely
respected package. Creating a commercial version to reward the
developers and fund future development is fine; I applaud it.
But it really smells like the current move with Director is crossing
a line.
Those in charge of making this decision would do well to pay very
close attention here.
-Dave
On 11/2/22 12:46, Jan Hugo Prins wrote:> I think the only thing they will gain is a community that is angry and
> will in the end leave the product / fork the complete product.
>
> Jan Hugo
>
> On November 2, 2022 5:39:53 PM GMT+01:00, Brad Schuetz <brad at
omnis.com>
> wrote:
>
> On 11/2/22 03:54, Aki Tuomi wrote:
>
> On 02/11/2022 11:55 EET Frank Wall <fw at moov.de> wrote:
>
> On 2022-11-02 09:11, Aki Tuomi wrote:
>
> You can also see the email sent by others which shows
> how you can do
> this without replication, using proxy and passdb to
> direct users to
> right backend. Which is basically what director does.
>
> It's not the same thing.
>
> It is not critical functionality. You can feasibly run a
> two-node
> dovecot system on NFS without having director.
>
> It seems to be critical enough to offer a replacement for
paying
> customers, while at the same time leaving the community edition
> with no valid replacement.
>
>
> Ciao
> - Frank
>
> Can you tell me what kind of functionality you are unable to
> achieve with the passdb solution?
>
> Aki
>
>
> Can you tell us what you are gaining (other than monitarily) by
removing a completely functionally working feature that numerous people are
using?
>
> Adding new paid features is one thing (i.e. nginx), taking away a
feature to replace it with a paid feature is something completely different.
>
> --
> Brad
>
>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
If the community has enough resources to fork the whole project, it would probably be far more efficient and easier to just fork the Director component. I?m not familiar enough with dovecot sources to tell if this is possible, but if the community really wants to keep Director alive, maybe it should start investigating if building it as an out of tree component is possible ?> Le 2 nov. 2022 ? 17:46, Jan Hugo Prins <jhp at jhprins.org> a ?crit : > > I think the only thing they will gain is a community that is angry and will in the end leave the product / fork the complete product. > > Jan Hugo > > On November 2, 2022 5:39:53 PM GMT+01:00, Brad Schuetz <brad at omnis.com> wrote: > On 11/2/22 03:54, Aki Tuomi wrote: > On 02/11/2022 11:55 EET Frank Wall <fw at moov.de> wrote: > > On 2022-11-02 09:11, Aki Tuomi wrote: > You can also see the email sent by others which shows how you can do > this without replication, using proxy and passdb to direct users to > right backend. Which is basically what director does. > It's not the same thing. > > It is not critical functionality. You can feasibly run a two-node > dovecot system on NFS without having director. > It seems to be critical enough to offer a replacement for paying > customers, while at the same time leaving the community edition > with no valid replacement. > > > Ciao > - Frank > Can you tell me what kind of functionality you are unable to achieve with the passdb solution? > > Aki > > Can you tell us what you are gaining (other than monitarily) by removing a completely functionally working feature that numerous people are using? > > Adding new paid features is one thing (i.e. nginx), taking away a feature to replace it with a paid feature is something completely different. > > -- > Brad > > > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://dovecot.org/pipermail/dovecot/attachments/20221102/9ee13cb6/attachment.htm>