> On December 20, 2017 at 4:39 PM Tanstaafl <tanstaafl at libertytrek.org> wrote: > > > On Sat Dec 16 2017 15:41:25 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time), Tanstaafl > <tanstaafl at libertytrek.org> wrote: > > Ok, well, my ignorance is probably glaring here, but what I meant was, > > the make the BURL/URLAUTH pieces strictly between Dovecot and the > > backend SMTP server, make it invisible to the Client... > > So, I take it the no response to this means that there is no way to put > the BURL/URLAUTH parts such that only server support is needed, nothing > special on the client side? > > Bummer, that means it will be a looong time if ever that this feature is > usable.Tanstaafl, maybe you could explain what you think the BURL/URLAUTH stuff is for, or do you have some particular use case you would be using it? Client support already is not required, and yes, it might take a long time before clients support it. Aki
On 12/22/2017, 1:19:45 AM, Aki Tuomi <aki.tuomi at dovecot.fi> wrote:> Tanstaafl, maybe you could explain what you think the BURL/URLAUTH > stuff is for, or do you have some particular use case you would be using > it? Client support already is not required, and yes, it might take a > long time before clients support it.Hi Aki, I would primarily just like to be able to disable 'Save to Sent' action in Thunderbird for accounts using a backend Dovecot+Postfix server that supports this. So, I guess I'm really confused about exactly what this is and how it will work. The reason I thought that Client support was required was this: On 12/12/2017, 1:39:08 PM, Stephan Bosch <stephan at rename-it.nl> wrote:> However, keep in mind that for this particular feature we're just > providing the "chicken" as it were. The "egg", i.e. client support, is > still to come. Apart from Trojita (which I think is still not widely > used), I know of no IMAP client supporting BURL/URLAUTH for message > submission. I'd expect to see it first for clients that can truly > benefit; i.e., mobile clients such as K9.So, maybe this doesn't mean what I thought it meant... ? Thank
On 22 Dec 2017, at 15.28, Tanstaafl <tanstaafl at libertytrek.org> wrote:> > On 12/22/2017, 1:19:45 AM, Aki Tuomi <aki.tuomi at dovecot.fi> wrote: >> Tanstaafl, maybe you could explain what you think the BURL/URLAUTH >> stuff is for, or do you have some particular use case you would be using >> it? Client support already is not required, and yes, it might take a >> long time before clients support it. > > Hi Aki, > > I would primarily just like to be able to disable 'Save to Sent' action > in Thunderbird for accounts using a backend Dovecot+Postfix server that > supports this. > > So, I guess I'm really confused about exactly what this is and how it > will work.I guess we can support this at some point. At least once we add Sieve support for outgoing submission mails it should be possible to use fileinto "Sent" command in them. But this is kind of a special use case which can't be automatically configured and isn't implemented by all clients. So it might work for you, but not generally for everyone.> The reason I thought that Client support was required was this: > > On 12/12/2017, 1:39:08 PM, Stephan Bosch <stephan at rename-it.nl> wrote: >> However, keep in mind that for this particular feature we're just >> providing the "chicken" as it were. The "egg", i.e. client support, is >> still to come. Apart from Trojita (which I think is still not widely >> used), I know of no IMAP client supporting BURL/URLAUTH for message >> submission. I'd expect to see it first for clients that can truly >> benefit; i.e., mobile clients such as K9. > > So, maybe this doesn't mean what I thought it meant... ?This just means that the BURL/URLAUTH extensions aren't really used by existing mail clients currently. But now that Dovecot supports it, perhaps some clients will start implementing them. You can still use the submission server without the BURL/URLAUTH extensions of course, just means that the benefits are a bit less (mainly could make the SMTP AUTH configuration easier).