Hi all, When I use an email client, its purpose is as a window into my Dovecot IMAP, and as a mechanism to reply to and send emails. I don't do filtering or calendaring on my email client (filtering via procmail direct to Dovecot). What email clients are all of you using to look at your IMAP email? Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt November 2016 featured book: Quit Joblessness: Start Your Own Business http://www.troubleshooters.com/startbiz
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 17 Nov 2016, Steve Litt wrote:> What email clients are all of you using to look at your IMAP email?https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_(E-Mail-Programm) :-) - -- Steffen Kaiser -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEVAwUBWC1hq3z1H7kL/d9rAQIgvAgAiPKjxwTGRzfCK/muIevIYPwybxaD0BUt ceVNEZN5NC8mu3E2hpJSG5jdNVeP8DhWQ+kV0I192GomJ/QFRs+5st9MUvlkwqz9 ahCC8hOhVnNgjPnVA/+F0cXrhARCKaHD6N5yFQkKjxcIINS5/nWFbYQMVhRTIxno 5JAIB3FU6TOb0iq7edpNbp5Uxux4yKAOcSd31jenn08HTIrqjX3caHYf4u7P/ap8 hMPlfp9+tVUL/EYxt7FEtlhk4UItPOyqDyAIhSvyhfR/mSibIkKNd8+R77LEFdtp y3sqWct20gSFUT7V9ibmjI0vTneHqE6b5Bw1Xnw5Adj1qiRIS4nZhw==POL7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Am 2016-11-17 08:48, schrieb Steve Litt:> When I use an email client, its purpose is as a window into my Dovecot > IMAP, and as a mechanism to reply to and send emails. I don't do > filtering or calendaring on my email client (filtering via procmail > direct to Dovecot). > > What email clients are all of you using to look at your IMAP email?Most of the day I am using the Horde Webmailer IMP (www.horde.org), because I've got my web browser running the whole time anyway and I am too lazy to wait until Thunderbird launched. Horde integrates IMAP very well and even has support for running and managing SIEVE-Scripts, PGP, S/MIME and other, fancy stuff. It is real a very well rounded, good for daily work mail client. Contra is that you cannot change the theme at all, and if you wish to extend it, you might be off better with other stuff. But until you really reach this point you've got to walk some miles... 2nd preference then, as desktop client, is Thunderbird. Hard to beat IMAP support and if it cannot do a thing you want, there already might be an extension around somewhere... What to avoid like the pest is Outlook. Microsoft crippled the IMAP support in it starting with version 2010 on purpose to promote their own server technology on many levels. Using IMAP with Outlook is no fun, so just don't do it and if you need Outlook, you are better off with Microsofts own tech stuff instead of IMAP.
On 17.11.2016 08:48, Steve Litt wrote:> What email clients are all of you using to look at your IMAP email?I prefer Mozilla Thunderbird. It runs on Linux, macOS and Windows; works nicely with all sorts of IMAP servers; handles mailing lists well; and the multiple-identity-support (more than one sender address per IMAP account) is very important for me as well. -Ralph
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 02:48:52 Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:> What email clients are all of you using to look at your IMAP email?I'm currently using Sylpheed, which is lightweight and fast, but relatively basic (e.g. no HTML support). I keep meaning to try out Trojit?, which is apparently also very fast, as well as being very standards compliant. It uses an IMAP server for as much functionality as possible, so I suspect it would work well with Dovecot. Other than that, if you want something new and shiny, try Geary. Personally I didn't like it much, as it implements a "conversation mode", making traditional in-line posting and so on more difficult. I've tried Thunderbird, but it was too sluggish for my PC. Andy
On 11/17/2016 08:48 AM, Steve Litt wrote:> When I use an email client, its purpose is as a window into my Dovecot > IMAP, and as a mechanism to reply to and send emails. I don't do > filtering or calendaring on my email client (filtering via procmail > direct to Dovecot). > > What email clients are all of you using to look at your IMAP email?Plaintext or HTML mails? OpenPGP? S/MIME? Do you like to see your e-mails arranged into threads, or just sorted by some property (be that sender, date, or whatever)? What's your archiving system, many or few folders, flat or hierarchical? Do you work remote, how good's the connection to the IMAP server, do you need the capability to work on a local cache while the server cannot be reached ("detached IMAP", I've seen it called)? I switched from tkRat (a.k.a. ratatosk) to Thunderbird when I had a need to do "detached IMAP" (and tkRat repeatedly trashed my entire INBOX when I tried). tkRat had interesting features (preselected primary archive folder per folder you're reading, "folders" that actually are views of a local database, minimalistic enough to bridge the distance with X11 instead of IMAP), but hasn't seen further development in ages. With Thunderbird, there's a couple plugins I wouldn't want to part with. Lightning for the calendaring, Enigmail for OpenPGP support, Allow HTML Temp to stay with a default everything-as-plaintext setup but still being able to quickly grok the occasional "my answers below in red" reply, QuickFolders to have a bar of main archive folders I can drag&drop read e-mails into. Address Close Button occupies the "not *quite that* essential" rung. Kind regards, -- Jochen Bern Systemingenieur Fon: +49 6151 9067-231 Fax: +49 6151 9067-290 E-Mail: jochen.bern at binect.de www.binect.de www.facebook.de/binect Binect GmbH Robert-Koch-Stra?e 9, 64331 Weiterstadt, DE Gesch?ftsf?hrung: Christian Ladner, Dr. Frank Wermeyer, Nils Manegold Unternehmenssitz: Weiterstadt Register: Amtsgericht Darmstadt, HRB 94685 Umsatzsteuer-ID: DE 221 302 264 MAX 21-Unternehmensgruppe ? Diese E-Mail kann vertrauliche Informationen enthalten. Wenn Sie nicht der richtige Adressat sind oder diese E-Mail irrt?mlich erhalten haben, informieren Sie bitte sofort den Absender und vernichten Sie diese E-Mail. Das unerlaubte Kopieren, sowie die unbefugte Weitergabe dieser Mail oder von Teilen dieser Mail ist nicht gestattet. Jede von der Binect GmbH versendete Mail ist sorgf?ltig erstellt worden, dennoch schlie?en wir die rechtliche Verbindlichkeit aus; sie kann nicht zu einer irgendwie gearteten Verpflichtung zu Lasten der Binect GmbH ausgelegt werden. Wir haben alle verkehrs?blichen Ma?nahmen unternommen, um das Risiko der Verbreitung virenbefallener Software oder E-Mails zu minimieren, dennoch raten wir Ihnen, Ihre eigenen Virenkontrollen auf alle Anh?nge an dieser Nachricht durchzuf?hren. Wir schlie?en, au?er f?r den Fall von Vorsatz oder grober Fahrl?ssigkeit, die Haftung f?r jeglichen Verlust oder Sch?den durch virenbefallene Software oder E-Mail aus. This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of contents of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. All Binect GmbH emails are created thoroughly, nevertheless we do not accept any legal obligation for the information and wording contained herein. Binect GmbH has taken precautionary measures to reduce the risk of possible distribution of virus infected software or emails. However, we advise you to check attachments to this email for viruses. Except for cases of intent or gross negligence, we cannot accept any legal obligation for loss or damage by virus infected software. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 4278 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: <http://dovecot.org/pipermail/dovecot/attachments/20161117/cce754fd/attachment.p7s>
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 14:11:45 +0100 Jochen Bern <Jochen.Bern at binect.de> wrote:> On 11/17/2016 08:48 AM, Steve Litt wrote: > > When I use an email client, its purpose is as a window into my > > Dovecot IMAP, and as a mechanism to reply to and send emails. I > > don't do filtering or calendaring on my email client (filtering via > > procmail direct to Dovecot). > > > > What email clients are all of you using to look at your IMAP > > email? > > Plaintext or HTML mails?I like the ability to see some sort of representation of the links in incoming HTML email. I would never send HTML email.> OpenPGP?I don't use that today, but probably will in the future.> S/MIME?Not necessary.> Do you like to see your > e-mails arranged into threads, or just sorted by some property (be > that sender, date, or whatever)?I could live without the ability to thread. It seems to not work right, probably because of various senders' misuse. When I want to look at a thread, I usually just sort on subject.> What's your archiving system, many > or few folders, flat or hierarchical?Archiving is achieved in my Dovecot Maildir tree. For fast moving folders like INBOX and my local LUG (GoLUG), every year I move this year's messages to, for instance, OLDFOLDERS->GoLUG->2015. I have somewhere between 75 and 200 folders, and tend to go about 4 levels deep in the hierarchy, although most of my most active folders are 1 level down from the account itself. For backup, I use rsync to a backup server, and back up the whole Dovecot tree.> Do you work remote,Sometimes. Through a pinhole in my firewall, via dynamic dns.> how good's > the connection to the IMAP server,Varies.> do you need the capability to work > on a local cache while the server cannot be reached ("detached IMAP", > I've seen it called)?No. If I can't do email at a particular time, I'll go somewhere else where I can.> > I switched from tkRat (a.k.a. ratatosk) to Thunderbird when I had a > need to do "detached IMAP" (and tkRat repeatedly trashed my entire > INBOX when I tried).Did the corruption happen when you messed with it to try to work offline, or do you mean that usage during failure to connect caused corruption? Did it corrupt the IMAP you were trying to connect to, or just a cache?> tkRat had interesting features (preselected > primary archive folder per folder you're reading, "folders" that > actually are views of a local database, minimalistic enough to bridge > the distance with X11 instead of IMAP), but hasn't seen further > development in ages. > > With Thunderbird,Here's why I can't use Thunderbird: [slitt at mydesk Maildir]$ find ~/mail/Maildir | wc -l 625262 [slitt at mydesk Maildir]$ find ~/mail/Maildir -type d | wc -l 1241 [slitt at mydesk Maildir]$ I have over 620K emails in over 1000 folders. This turns Thunderbird into an all day affair, just to refresh its caches. Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt November 2016 featured book: Quit Joblessness: Start Your Own Business http://www.troubleshooters.com/startbiz
On 11/16/2016 11:48 PM, Steve Litt wrote:> Hi all, > > When I use an email client, its purpose is as a window into my Dovecot > IMAP, and as a mechanism to reply to and send emails. I don't do > filtering or calendaring on my email client (filtering via procmail > direct to Dovecot). > > What email clients are all of you using to look at your IMAP email? > > Thanks, > > SteveTThunderbird on the Desktop and K9 on Android and roundcube for webmail.
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 08:52:11 +0100 (CET) Steffen Kaiser <skdovecot at smail.inf.fh-brs.de> wrote:> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thu, 17 Nov 2016, Steve Litt wrote: > > > What email clients are all of you using to look at your IMAP > > email? > > https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_(E-Mail-Programm) > > :-)Thanks Steffen, I installed Alpine and got it to work as a window to my Dovecot IMAP server, but I could only "import" one mailbox at a time, and as I mentioned earlier: [slitt at mydesk ~]$ find /home/slitt/mail/Maildir -type d | wc -l 1254 [slitt at mydesk ~]$ These mailboxes are several levels deep, such as: .OLDFOLDERS.in.2012. I have a few questions: * How does one import *all* folders from the Dovecot server at once, without repeatedly typing in 192.168.100.2/ssl/user=slitt and all the rest of the process? * Is there a way of viewing my folder hierarchy hierarchically, including collapse and expand? * How does one manually expunge an email previously marked for deletion? I know it's possible because one config item is "*only* expunge manually." Is there a way of expunging ranges of emails? * How does one switch the sort order while in the folder list or the message list? * And most important, where can I find the best, most unambiguous Alpine documentation, that doesn't assume I know anything about Alpine? Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt November 2016 featured book: Quit Joblessness: Start Your Own Business http://www.troubleshooters.com/startbiz
FWIW, I use claws, which is about the only one not mentioned.? I don't like Thunderbird. For one thing, it is in caretaker status. Mozilla believes Web based mail is the "future." I rather not run roundcube, given I got hacked via an unpatched roundcube ?back when I was using a hosting company. ? Webmail just increases your attack surface.?
Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> writes:> Hi all, > > When I use an email client, its purpose is as a window into my Dovecot > IMAP, and as a mechanism to reply to and send emails. I don't do > filtering or calendaring on my email client (filtering via procmail > direct to Dovecot). > > What email clients are all of you using to look at your IMAP email?Someone's got to mention Emacs and Gnus. I suppose it's unlikely anyone's going to pick up Emacs just to use the mail client, but it's a great mail client. Grossly configurable, and handles IMAP accounts well.
On 17/11/2016 5:41 AM, Marc St?rmer wrote:> What to avoid like the pest is Outlook. Microsoft crippled the IMAP > support in it starting with version 2010 on purpose to promote their > own server technology on many levels. Using IMAP with Outlook is no > fun, so just don't do it and if you need Outlook, you are better off > with Microsofts own tech stuff instead of IMAP.I use Thunderbird most of the time but I also have to use Outlook. I have noticed that IMAP support in Outlook 2016 is much better than in previous versions. It was really bad in Outlook 2010 and 2013, having to delete and reconfigure the IMAP account quite often. I haven't had any issues since upgrading to Outlook 2016.
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