On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 5:12 PM Leon Fauster via CentOS <centos at centos.org> wrote:> Right now, I am seeing a lot of requests in the Rocky forum, to add > new shiny stuff to the distribution and the answer to most of this > is (more or less); "we (Rocky) are a 1:1 rebuild of upstream and we can > not add new stuff in an arbitrary way". So, when talking about a > community then we have different concepts behind it. >Well said. It is worth pointing out also that, while Kurtzer and other Rocky community leads are devoted to keeping Rocky 1:1 with upstream, they are also committed to engaging with the CentOS Stream community themselves (if they find a bug in upstream code and they can fix it, Kurtzer and others have stated multiple times that they will contribute the fix into Stream), and to encouraging such engagement among those who desire to see improvements with upstream. In other words, if we are uncomfortable with the direction Stream is going, the preferred approach is mobilisation within and engagement with the Stream community to have those changes realised there, so that they flow into Enterprise Linux and everyone benefits.
Il 2021-07-08 23:21 J. Adam Craig ha scritto:> Well said. It is worth pointing out also that, while Kurtzer and other > Rocky community leads are devoted to keeping Rocky 1:1 with upstream, > they > are also committed to engaging with the CentOS Stream community > themselves > (if they find a bug in upstream code and they can fix it, Kurtzer and > others have stated multiple times that they will contribute the fix > into > Stream), and to encouraging such engagement among those who desire to > see > improvements with upstream. In other words, if we are uncomfortable > with > the direction Stream is going, the preferred approach is mobilisation > within and engagement with the Stream community to have those changes > realised there, so that they flow into Enterprise Linux and everyone > benefits.While I fully understand & agree on the motivation for keeping Rocky (and other clones) 1:1 with Red Hat, it should be understood that current RHEL packages selection itself is drifting away from small/medium business needs. So the core issue is a more fundamental one: Red Hat, our upstream, is walking away from traditional server needs. So while I wish Rocky all the best (and I am actively using it!), I am looking toward Ubuntu and Debian for new deployments. Regards. -- Danti Gionatan Supporto Tecnico Assyoma S.r.l. - www.assyoma.it email: g.danti at assyoma.it - info at assyoma.it GPG public key ID: FF5F32A8