CentOS - Jul 2021 - Centos versions in the future?

Il 2021-07-08 13:22 Nikolaos Milas ha scritto:
> If some people want to leave the RHEL ecosystem for Debian or FreeBSD,
> that's OK. But for those who want to stay in the RHEL world, Rocky
> Linux stands as a rock-solid solution. This opinion does not reject
> other CentOS clones, but emphasizes the fact that Rocky Linux appears
> to be a solid option for now and the years to come.
While true, I also feel that RH is trying to actively shape its 
distribution away from small enterprise needs. For example, common 
packages are deprecated and/or removed (eg: virt-manager, screen, 
kernel-side DRBD, pam_mysql, etc) and EPEL 8 (which is fundamental to my 
CentOS/Rocky installations) is in a bad state.

My impression is that RH is following cloud vendors & hyperscale needs - 
with Stream as a clear example. This is not an inherently bad thing, but 
it quite different from what the small and medium businesses I service 
need.

So, while closely watching RH/CentOS/Rocky, I am going to steer new 
deployments on Ubuntu LTS or Debian.
Regards.

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Soon, we will all have to find a way to work with other distributions,
or work together to create and maintain new distributions that focus on
micro/small/medium business.  Eventually, this will be the only way to
keep virtualization and hybrid cloud available.  Everyone smells money
and RedHat is now controlled by IBM, so little by little, we can start
seeing the changes, reducing packages, dismantling, re-architecting,
re-branding.  It's only a matter of time.
Greed is worse than cancer.

On Thu, 2021-07-08 at 14:38 +0200, Gionatan Danti wrote:
> Il 2021-07-08 13:22 Nikolaos Milas ha scritto:
> If some people want to leave the RHEL ecosystem for Debian or
> FreeBSD,that's OK. But for those who want to stay in the RHEL world,
> RockyLinux stands as a rock-solid solution. This opinion does not
> rejectother CentOS clones, but emphasizes the fact that Rocky Linux
> appearsto be a solid option for now and the years to come.
> While true, I also feel that RH is trying to actively shape its
> distribution away from small enterprise needs. For example, common
> packages are deprecated and/or removed (eg: virt-manager, screen,
> kernel-side DRBD, pam_mysql, etc) and EPEL 8 (which is fundamental to
> my CentOS/Rocky installations) is in a bad state.
> My impression is that RH is following cloud vendors & hyperscale
> needs - with Stream as a clear example. This is not an inherently bad
> thing, but it quite different from what the small and medium
> businesses I service need.
> So, while closely watching RH/CentOS/Rocky, I am going to steer new
> deployments on Ubuntu LTS or Debian.Regards.
>

On 08.07.21 14:38, Gionatan Danti wrote:
> Il 2021-07-08 13:22 Nikolaos Milas ha scritto:
>> If some people want to leave the RHEL ecosystem for Debian or FreeBSD,
>> that's OK. But for those who want to stay in the RHEL world, Rocky
>> Linux stands as a rock-solid solution. This opinion does not reject
>> other CentOS clones, but emphasizes the fact that Rocky Linux appears
>> to be a solid option for now and the years to come.
> 
> While true, I also feel that RH is trying to actively shape its 
> distribution away from small enterprise needs. For example, common 
> packages are deprecated and/or removed (eg: virt-manager, screen, 
> kernel-side DRBD, pam_mysql, etc) and EPEL 8 (which is fundamental to my 
> CentOS/Rocky installations) is in a bad state.


Maybe "we" could fill this gap? Describe this state of EPEL? Did you
requested such missing packages? From the early on (EL8.0) I requested
such EPEL packages, some fedora maintainers branched there packages into
EPEL8. Even a request for a devel package was honored and the rpm was
included by RH later in 8.1. This is a community, so communicate! 
Everything else is a product in ready state that must be paid.


> My impression is that RH is following cloud vendors & hyperscale needs
-
> with Stream as a clear example. This is not an inherently bad thing, but 
> it quite different from what the small and medium businesses I service 
> need.
> 
> So, while closely watching RH/CentOS/Rocky, I am going to steer new 
> deployments on Ubuntu LTS or Debian.
> Regards.
> 


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Leon