On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 11:06 AM Matthew Miller <mattdm at mattdm.org> wrote:> > > > I don't think there will be a course change either, but for different > reasons. The motivation isn't "cashing/selling out". It's... actually the > stated motivation > https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/faq-centos-stream-updates#Q2 > > > -- > Matthew Miller > <mattdm at fedoraproject.org> > Fedora Project Leader > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centosI know you and other RHEL folks keep saying this about cashing out etc, but they could have kept stream and Centos stable at the same time but chose not to. Ya know, if it walks like a duck and quacks as a duck...who knows maybe this goes down as one of the best decisions ever for RH but I think its going to hurt them in more ways then they ever thought about.
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 12:24 PM Tom Bishop <bishoptf at gmail.com> wrote:> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 11:06 AM Matthew Miller <mattdm at mattdm.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I don't think there will be a course change either, but for different > > reasons. The motivation isn't "cashing/selling out". It's... actually the > > stated motivation > > https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/faq-centos-stream-updates#Q2 > > > > > > -- > > Matthew Miller > > <mattdm at fedoraproject.org> > > Fedora Project Leader > > _______________________________________________ > > CentOS mailing list > > CentOS at centos.org > > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > > > I know you and other RHEL folks keep saying this about cashing out etc, but > they could have kept stream and Centos stable at the same time but chose > not to. Ya know, if it walks like a duck and quacks as a duck...who knows > maybe this goes down as one of the best decisions ever for RH but I think > its going to hurt them in more ways then they ever thought about. > _______________________________________________ >Not to mention the constant barrage of "You just want free Red Hat" and "CentOS users are moochers" and "We deserve value from all those CentOS users, so we're going to turn them into beta testers for RHEL." I have gotten these responses here and on twitter from CentOS and Red Hat employees. So, sorry, but this line about this not being a money grab is an obvious crock of excrement. -- *Matt Phelps* *Information Technology Specialist, Systems Administrator* (Computation Facility, Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory) Center for Astrophysics | Harvard & Smithsonian 60 Garden Street | MS 39 | Cambridge, MA 02138 email: mphelps at cfa.harvard.edu cfa.harvard.edu | Facebook <http://cfa.harvard.edu/facebook> | Twitter <http://cfa.harvard.edu/twitter> | YouTube <http://cfa.harvard.edu/youtube> | Newsletter <http://cfa.harvard.edu/newsletter>
On 12/15/20 10:24 AM, Tom Bishop wrote:> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 11:06 AM Matthew Miller <mattdm at mattdm.org> wrote: > >> >> >> I don't think there will be a course change either, but for different >> reasons. The motivation isn't "cashing/selling out". It's... actually the >> stated motivation >> https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/faq-centos-stream-updates#Q2 >> >> >> -- >> Matthew Miller >> <mattdm at fedoraproject.org> >> Fedora Project Leader >> _______________________________________________ >> CentOS mailing list >> CentOS at centos.org >> https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > > I know you and other RHEL folks keep saying this about cashing out etc, but > they could have kept stream and Centos stable at the same time but chose > not to. Ya know, if it walks like a duck and quacks as a duck...who knows > maybe this goes down as one of the best decisions ever for RH but I think > its going to hurt them in more ways then they ever thought about.I think you are exactly on target there with your thoughts. IBM looks after their investors and their customers, they never really cared about "personal computing" (pun intended), nor small business computing, and evidently, as history shows, suck at it when they made an attempt or two.> _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 11:24:03AM -0600, Tom Bishop wrote:> I know you and other RHEL folks keep saying this about cashing out etc, but > they could have kept stream and Centos stable at the same time but chose > not to. Ya know, if it walks like a duck and quacks as a duck...who knows > maybe this goes down as one of the best decisions ever for RH but I think > its going to hurt them in more ways then they ever thought about.As I've also said before, I have no special insight into how RH and the CentOS board came to this timeline, but I _am_ inclined to believe that the motivation is the one that they give: they want to focus attention and resources. Look at CloudLinux saying that they plan to invest a million dollars a year into doing their rebuild. It's easy to _say_ "Red Hat could easily have done both". -- Matthew Miller <mattdm at fedoraproject.org> Fedora Project Leader