Why? it is called "rolling release" and no one gave officially a statement to the question I asked, if it is meant like that of Win10 ... a beta release is not the same that many expect as a stable system, as they are used to have with CentOS; you should think of renaming CentOS to something different, because with Enterprise this CentOS Stream has nothing in common; and does Redhat really expect everone - even private people - afford a RHEL subscription? just to have a stable system? ? I would in case I only need just one RHEL subscription for ALL my private used VMs (including the ones hosted in internet as VPS) - a DNS server - a proxy server (squid) - a mail server (mail store - cyrus-imapd) - a mail server (mail router f. outgoing mails) - a mail server (mail scanner f. incoming mails with SpamAssassin and ClamAV) - a 2nd proxy server (squid, with SSL interception and Squidclamav plus ClamAV) - a web server (apache) - a jump host - a 6in4 router - desktop with graphical UI (plus Firefox and Thunderbird) is a now a SL, but they decided several time ago, ? not to do their own system based on RHEL, they use CentOS, that is now a little bit bad for this/SL's use case; - a VPS with OpenVPN (used with my smartphone) - a VPS with a proxy (squid, to avoid censorship due to geolocation blocking) - a VPS as the other end of 6in4 - a VPS with storage of my own files ? (all VPS run a bind, too) Thanks for read; Walter
Dear, I think we are all in the same position and situation and I do not think it is time to cry over spilled milk, now and without putting hands in favor of RedHat, to which I no longer believe anything, we have to move on and support the Community initiatives that are appearing and that I believe will come with the same strength and spirit of our deceased CentOS. Cheers, On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 3:50 PM Walter H. <Walter.H at mathemainzel.info> wrote:> Why? > > it is called "rolling release" and no one gave officially a statement to > the question I asked, > > if it is meant like that of Win10 ... > > a beta release is not the same that many expect as a stable system, as > they are used to have with CentOS; > > you should think of renaming CentOS to something different, because with > Enterprise this CentOS Stream has nothing in common; > > and does Redhat really expect everone - even private people - afford a > RHEL subscription? just to have a stable system? > > ? I would in case I only need just one RHEL subscription for ALL my > private used VMs (including the ones hosted in internet as VPS) > > - a DNS server > - a proxy server (squid) > - a mail server (mail store - cyrus-imapd) > - a mail server (mail router f. outgoing mails) > - a mail server (mail scanner f. incoming mails with SpamAssassin and > ClamAV) > - a 2nd proxy server (squid, with SSL interception and Squidclamav plus > ClamAV) > - a web server (apache) > - a jump host > - a 6in4 router > - desktop with graphical UI (plus Firefox and Thunderbird) is a now a > SL, but they decided several time ago, > not to do their own system based on RHEL, they use CentOS, that is > now a little bit bad for this/SL's use case; > > - a VPS with OpenVPN (used with my smartphone) > - a VPS with a proxy (squid, to avoid censorship due to geolocation > blocking) > - a VPS as the other end of 6in4 > - a VPS with storage of my own files > (all VPS run a bind, too) > > Thanks for read; > > Walter > > > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >-- Victor
On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 07:50:00PM +0100, Walter H. wrote:> it is called "rolling release" and no one gave officially a > statement to the question I asked,It should not have been called a rolling release. It is not a rolling release in the sense that many Linux distributions use it.> if it is meant like that of Win10 ...I don't know what that means. No. It will not be like Win 10 in pretty much every way.> a beta release is not the same that many expect as a stable system, > as they are used to have with CentOS;It is not a beta release.> you should think of renaming CentOS to something different, because > with Enterprise this CentOS Stream has nothing in common;Maybe. But I think it has more in common than you think> and does Redhat really expect everone - even private people - afford > a RHEL subscription? just to have a stable system?No. In many cases, CentOS Stream will provide a stable system for the needs of individuals. In many other cases, upcoming low- and no-cost RHEL programs will address many of these needs. As an individual, you can already get RHEL with no cost through the Developer Program, although it isn't as easy as it could be and usage is limited. The upcoming plans are intended to address those problems. It's unfortunate that the timing is such that those aren't anything but future promises at this point, but they are coming. See https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/faq-centos-stream-updates#Q10 and email centos-questions at redhat.com with your specific needs. That address goes to real people who are working on these programs, not sales or anything like that. -- Matthew Miller <mattdm at fedoraproject.org> Fedora Project Leader