Konstantin Boyandin
2020-Dec-11 09:24 UTC
[CentOS] I'm looking forward to the future of CentOS Stream
On 11.12.2020 15:23, Gordon Messmer wrote:> On 12/10/20 6:28 PM, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS wrote: >> Allow me to disagree. We both trust Chris Wright's words, don't we? CTO >> won't lie. Citing him: >> >> "To be exact, CentOS Stream is an upstream development platform for >> ecosystem developers. It will be updated several times a day. > > So, like Fedora?? People run servers on Fedora now, and I think that's > fine.On a production server, where no surprises are expected? That may be. People often act very, so to say, strangely. I am telling about other people. I doubt those actively running Fedora on production systems do participate in these threads.>> This is not a production operating system." > > Does he say that CentOS is a production operating system? > > As far as I know, Red Hat has never endorsed running CentOS in > production, so I don't understand why it's significant that they also > don't endorse running CentOS Stream in production.Is RHEL itself suitable for running on production servers? If not, my argument is weak. If yes, then CentOS, bug-to-bug compatible, is suitable, too. RH won't ever endorse running CentOS (more generally, anything free of charge) for obvious reasons, so I don't care about their opinion on this subject.>> And even if I reduce the number of CentOS Stream upgrades to >> minimal one, the base advantage of CentOS is lost: predictability. > > It's really difficult for me to look at a distribution that just stops > getting updates for 4-6 weeks, twice a year, and use the word > "predictable" to describe it.Well, it's not at all difficult for me. Tastes differ.> My first reaction to the announcement was pretty negative, too. But when > I stepped back and looked at the current situation *real* honestly, I > had to admit that CentOS just doesn't offer any of the things that > people are complaining about losing. > > And I hope that the CentOS maintainers don't interpret that as > criticism, because it isn't intended to be.? They've always maintained > that if you need updates/patches in a timely manner, then you should be > paying Red Hat for RHEL.? I agreed with them then, and I still do.My primary objection is breach of trust. RH shouldn't have lied at least to CentOS community. Other bug-to-bug compatible RHEL clones will replace the CentOS, so this is the part I am less worried about. If someone is happy with CentOS Stream, that's fine. I am not, but that's (not only) my problem. -- Sincerely, Konstantin Boyandin system administrator (ProWide Labs Ltd. - IPHost Network Monitor)
Alessandro Baggi
2020-Dec-11 10:41 UTC
[CentOS] I'm looking forward to the future of CentOS Stream
Il 11/12/20 10:24, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS ha scritto:> My primary objection is breach of trust. RH shouldn't have lied at least > to CentOS community. > > Other bug-to-bug compatible RHEL clones will replace the CentOS, so this > is the part I am less worried about. If someone is happy with CentOS > Stream, that's fine. I am not, but that's (not only) my problem.This. Centos Stream is NOT a REPLACEMENT of CentOS, it is a different "product" used as a rhel preview (and testing platform for next rhel releases [minor/major]). This is a simple direction change for a corporation. I accept this without any problem, they have not any legal duty with CentOS community. Ethically, wow...they should ask itself WTF did they done. But no problem..many of us have imagined this since IBM ops (also if this is a centos board decision), today it is reality. Really there is nothing new for me (This is why I started to find alternatives for my case usage since 8 was released waiting the switch to see if direction was good) The days you install CentOS as server distro for stability and compatibility are gone. I always used centos and not rhel because I don't need support. I don't need CentOS Stream so? I will not use it. CentOS 8, with its all defects, was enough for me and I think I will not use rhel until forced. So for me (and many) there is not an alternative then to change ship and switch to Debian/Ubuntu LTS that are not bad systems. Intended, there are other alternatives like SUSE/OpenSUSE, OL and other... I read many times that Debian/Ubuntu LTS are not centos/rhel, this is true (they are different products) but please, stop saying this, them are not shitty distro..but when I read that many users use fedora as server distro I laugh. I'm not in enterprise so I don't need this type of "support" and can change the distro without any problem but I will stay away from CentOS/RH products due to 0 trust in them. For the past years, for CentOS 6,7 and 8 thank you Johnny, Rich and all other maintainers. You did a great job.