Konstantin Boyandin
2020-Dec-11 02:28 UTC
[CentOS] I'm looking forward to the future of CentOS Stream
On 11.12.2020 08:25, Gordon Messmer wrote: [...]> For practical purposes, CentOS Stream will need to be fully patched for > compatibility purposes, just like CentOS is, and will be equally suited > for production purposes.Allow me to disagree. We both trust Chris Wright's words, don't we? CTO won't lie. Citing him: "To be exact, CentOS Stream is an upstream development platform for ecosystem developers. It will be updated several times a day. This is not a production operating system." [...]> Based on the information available today, I expect CentOS to be a very > reliable, reasonably secure distribution of GNU/Linux with Long Term > Support.? And judging by Red Hat?s mention that Facebook?s internal > groups either are already using an internally curated OS built from > CentOS Stream, or will be using it soon, I think I?m not alone in > believing that.I do not wish to argue with all your statements. Mostly they look reasonable. However, there's an unpredictable variable in this equation, namely RH. The major problem here is the breach of trust. A year ago RH's CTO is singing charming songs that CentOS won't go, now we see an abrupt direction change. This time, CTO keeps silent (I wonder why). Also, there's change in patterns. With CentOS, I reduce updates to minimal ones. That's significant: the management doesn't like the idea that updates can be applied daily, and glitches may happen at any moment. The management prefers the known devil. With current CentOS life cycle the number of upgrades is typically small. And even if I reduce the number of CentOS Stream upgrades to minimal one, the base advantage of CentOS is lost: predictability. At any given moment I could be sure that it has the same quirks and bugs the matching RHEL has. CentOS Stream has its advantages and use cases. The problem is, no one cared to estimate what use cases of majority of current CentOS users are. Damn, RH could at least bring formal apologies for changing the promised lifecycle. Instead we see the typical marketing blah-blah-blah of how that would benefit everyone. Nothing shows better the actual RH attitude towards the CentOS community. -- Sincerely, Konstantin Boyandin system administrator (ProWide Labs Ltd. - IPHost Network Monitor)
Gordon Messmer
2020-Dec-11 08:23 UTC
[CentOS] I'm looking forward to the future of CentOS Stream
On 12/10/20 6:28 PM, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS wrote:> Allow me to disagree. We both trust Chris Wright's words, don't we? CTO > won't lie. Citing him: > > "To be exact, CentOS Stream is an upstream development platform for > ecosystem developers. It will be updated several times a day.So, like Fedora?? People run servers on Fedora now, and I think that's fine.> This is not a production operating system."Does he say that CentOS is a production operating system? As far as I know, Red Hat has never endorsed running CentOS in production, so I don't understand why it's significant that they also don't endorse running CentOS Stream in production.> And even if I reduce the number of CentOS Stream upgrades to > minimal one, the base advantage of CentOS is lost: predictability.It's really difficult for me to look at a distribution that just stops getting updates for 4-6 weeks, twice a year, and use the word "predictable" to describe it. My first reaction to the announcement was pretty negative, too. But when I stepped back and looked at the current situation *real* honestly, I had to admit that CentOS just doesn't offer any of the things that people are complaining about losing. And I hope that the CentOS maintainers don't interpret that as criticism, because it isn't intended to be.? They've always maintained that if you need updates/patches in a timely manner, then you should be paying Red Hat for RHEL.? I agreed with them then, and I still do.