Matthew Miller
2020-Dec-08 22:38 UTC
[CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/
On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 08:34:54AM -0600, Christopher Wensink wrote:> I agree this is shocking news.? If we don't want to be beta testers > and want to continue to use a stable tested OS should we be moving > to RHEL servers?? Is there a license-free RHEL server option that is > the recommended path from using CentOS?So: other than the developer subscription, not yet. But see this part of the FAQ -- https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/faq-centos-stream-updates#Q10: In the first half of 2021, we will be introducing low- or no-cost programs for a variety of use cases, including options for open source projects and communities, partner ecosystems and an expansion of the use cases of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux Developer subscription to better serve the needs of systems administrators and partner developers. We?ll share more details on these initiatives as they become available. I'm not part of any of the decisions around that, but I know for sure that work is in progress and it's not just meant to sound nice. I don't know if any of these will meet your use cases, but I think they will for a lot of people here. For others, note that the plan is for CentOS Stream to target upcoming RHEL minor releases. Between any two six months, the change delta should be just the same as it is in CentOS Linux now. It's not like it's going to become Fedora Rawhide. Everything going into it is intended to land in RHEL on a short timescale. It's not a beta or a playground for broken code. Is it possible that more regressions will get through than have before? Well, sure, some. But let's not pretend that even RHEL is ever regression-free. It's software, after all, and there are bugs and errata. I don't think that for most self-supported CentOS use, it will be particularly dangerous to switch to Stream at all. And if your use case isn't covered by one of the upcoming low- and no-cost programs, and you can't take the risk or the possible increased change management overhead, or for some other reason... well, is it _really_ so bad for companies to pay for RHEL? (I like my family to be able to eat, so I'm a bit biased.... but all of this has to come from something.) -- Matthew Miller <mattdm at fedoraproject.org> Fedora Project Leader
Veli-Pekka Kestilä
2020-Dec-09 07:15 UTC
[CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/
On 9.12.2020 0.38, Matthew Miller wrote:> On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 08:34:54AM -0600, Christopher Wensink wrote: > > Is it possible that more regressions will get through than have before? > Well, sure, some. But let's not pretend that even RHEL is ever > regression-free. It's software, after all, and there are bugs and > errata. I don't think that for most self-supported CentOS use, it will > be particularly dangerous to switch to Stream at all.It might or it might not. But you can't say to people in good faith anymore that it will be as stable as the current RHEL release.> And if your use case isn't covered by one of the upcoming low- and > no-cost programs, and you can't take the risk or the possible increased > change management overhead, or for some other reason... well, is it > _really_ so bad for companies to pay for RHEL? (I like my family to be > able to eat, so I'm a bit biased.... but all of this has to come from > something.) >I have recommended CentOS to my customers as way to get going and also recommended getting the subscription for RHEL when possible afterwards. After the change I lost my last argument for not going to Ubuntu LTS instead. Lot of companies I deal with have already done that. Problem is that with Ubuntu being in developers/users workstations that is what people mainly want without good arguments for something different. This might serve the way to reduce amount of RHEL subscriptions in future. If this will happen, that I don't know. What I do know is that I don't have any arguments left for getting people started on RHEL/CentOS route. -vpk