On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 01:06:14PM -0800, Alice Wonder wrote:> On 12/21/18 12:44 PM, Fred Smith wrote: > >On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 06:27:45PM +0000, Liam O'Toole wrote: > >>On 2018-12-19, Fred Smith > >><fredex at fcshome.stoneham.ma.us> wrote: > >> > >>[...] > >> > >>>Result: Boots to GDM just fine, but Mate is a black screen. Switching > >>>to Gnome, works fine, but I can't stand Gnome. Not knowing what else > >>>to try I restored the dd backup. > >> > >>This is a known issue, and was mentioned on this list recently. The > >>problem is that Mate in EPEL needs to be updated to work with CentOS > >>7.6. Perhaps keep an eye on changes to the EPEL repo before attempting > >>the upgrade again. > > > >Thanks, Liam, for the info. > > > >Since it IS working on the netbook I'm hoping that means that whatever > >needed updating has been updated. > > > >So, I compared the versions on my desktop with those on the netbook, and > >find that mate_dictionary, mate-disk-usage-analyzer, mate-screenshot, > >mate-search-tool, mate-system-log, mate-system-monitor, mate-utilsk, > >mate-utils-common all had a minor version bump. Some from 1.16.1-1 to > >1.16.1-2, one from 1.16.0-1 to 1.16.0-2. > > > >I know there are other packages that do not contain "mate" in their names, > >but I don't know which they are. > > > >So, do you (or anyone else) happen to know which Mate packages are/were > >in need of update? > > > >thanks again, in advance. > > > > Not sure, MATE is working just fine for me, versions range from > 1.16.0 to 1.16.3 > > yum list |grep "mate" |grep -v "@epel" |grep -v "devel" > mate-menus-preferences-category-menu.x86_64 > classmate.noarch 1.3.1-2.el7 epel > classmate-javadoc.noarch 1.3.1-2.el7 epel > f22-backgrounds-mate.noarch 21.91.0-1.el7 epel > mate-common.noarch 1.16.0-1.el7 epel > mate-netspeed.x86_64 1.12.0-1.el7 epel > mate-sensors-applet.x86_64 1.16.1-1.el7 epel > mate-themes-extras.noarch 3.14.7-1.el7 epel > php-league-climate.noarch 3.2.4-1.el7 epel > workrave-mate.x86_64 1.10.16-1.el7 epel > xmonad-mate.x86_64 0.11-12.el7 epel > > Some of those obviously are not mate packages, but those are the > only mate packages I do NOT have installed and it is working, so if > mate is not working I wonder if the issue is something other than > the packages.Good question, Alice. I guess I need to go back to trying the upgrade again on my new-to-me-but-still-pretty-old laptop, where it failed a week or so ago. If that works I'll be slightly less paranoid about trying it on my main desktop box, which I definitely do NOT want to screw up. Or maybe plug in a 1tb usb drive and install on it and see what happens. Fred -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Under no circumstances will I ever purchase anything offered to me as the result of an unsolicited e-mail message. Nor will I forward chain letters, petitions, mass mailings, or virus warnings to large numbers of others. This is my contribution to the survival of the online community. --Roger Ebert, December, 1996 ----------------------------- The Boulder Pledge -----------------------------
On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 04:33:59PM -0500, Fred Smith wrote:> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 01:06:14PM -0800, Alice Wonder wrote: > > On 12/21/18 12:44 PM, Fred Smith wrote: > > >On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 06:27:45PM +0000, Liam O'Toole wrote: > > >>On 2018-12-19, Fred Smith > > >><fredex at fcshome.stoneham.ma.us> wrote: > > >> > > >>[...] > > >> > > >>>Result: Boots to GDM just fine, but Mate is a black screen. Switching > > >>>to Gnome, works fine, but I can't stand Gnome. Not knowing what else > > >>>to try I restored the dd backup. > > >> > > >>This is a known issue, and was mentioned on this list recently. The > > >>problem is that Mate in EPEL needs to be updated to work with CentOS > > >>7.6. Perhaps keep an eye on changes to the EPEL repo before attempting > > >>the upgrade again. > > > > > >Thanks, Liam, for the info. > > > > > >Since it IS working on the netbook I'm hoping that means that whatever > > >needed updating has been updated. > > > > > >So, I compared the versions on my desktop with those on the netbook, and > > >find that mate_dictionary, mate-disk-usage-analyzer, mate-screenshot, > > >mate-search-tool, mate-system-log, mate-system-monitor, mate-utilsk, > > >mate-utils-common all had a minor version bump. Some from 1.16.1-1 to > > >1.16.1-2, one from 1.16.0-1 to 1.16.0-2. > > > > > >I know there are other packages that do not contain "mate" in their names, > > >but I don't know which they are. > > > > > >So, do you (or anyone else) happen to know which Mate packages are/were > > >in need of update? > > > > > >thanks again, in advance. > > > > > > > Not sure, MATE is working just fine for me, versions range from > > 1.16.0 to 1.16.3 > > > > yum list |grep "mate" |grep -v "@epel" |grep -v "devel" > > mate-menus-preferences-category-menu.x86_64 > > classmate.noarch 1.3.1-2.el7 epel > > classmate-javadoc.noarch 1.3.1-2.el7 epel > > f22-backgrounds-mate.noarch 21.91.0-1.el7 epel > > mate-common.noarch 1.16.0-1.el7 epel > > mate-netspeed.x86_64 1.12.0-1.el7 epel > > mate-sensors-applet.x86_64 1.16.1-1.el7 epel > > mate-themes-extras.noarch 3.14.7-1.el7 epel > > php-league-climate.noarch 3.2.4-1.el7 epel > > workrave-mate.x86_64 1.10.16-1.el7 epel > > xmonad-mate.x86_64 0.11-12.el7 epel > > > > Some of those obviously are not mate packages, but those are the > > only mate packages I do NOT have installed and it is working, so if > > mate is not working I wonder if the issue is something other than > > the packages. > > > Good question, Alice. I guess I need to go back to trying the upgrade > again on my new-to-me-but-still-pretty-old laptop, where it failed a week > or so ago. If that works I'll be slightly less paranoid about trying it > on my main desktop box, which I definitely do NOT want to screw up. > > Or maybe plug in a 1tb usb drive and install on it and see what happens. > > FredSo,... for my new-to-me-but-old laptop, I plugged in a USB drive and saved a dd image of the laptop's HD into a file on the USB drive. Then I ran the upgrade, which went without any notable issues. Reboot works fine. the X login screen appears, I enter my credentials and log in. It goes through a lot of motions and eventually stops with the snowy/gray background from the Plymouth boot screen, but with nothing at all on it, and no mouse pointer. X is clearly running, but is not displaying my Mate desktop. I saved aside /var/log/messages and /var/log/Xorg.0.log, uploaded subsets of them to pastebin. the /var/log/messages subset is https://pastebin.com/MJR2T3Xz, while the xorg.0.log is https://pastebin.com/wrucd77z. Note the repeating (apparent) failures at the end of Xorg.0.log. I don't know what any of this has to do with Mate, but would appreciate your assistance. (I ran the update on a netbook and it went fine. both have Intel CPUs, the netbook has intel graphics, and the new-to-me-etc. laptop has a Radeon graphics chipset. I dunno if it makes any difference, or how to tell, or how to fix it, if it does.) Suggestions appreciated, in advance! Fred -- ---- Fred Smith -- fredex at fcshome.stoneham.ma.us ----------------------------- God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God." --------------------------- Corinthians 5:21 ---------------------------------
> > Then I ran the upgrade, which went without any notable issues. Reboot > works fine. the X login screen appears, I enter my credentials and log > in. It goes through a lot of motions and eventually stops with the > snowy/gray background from the Plymouth boot screen, but with nothing > at all on it, and no mouse pointer. X is clearly running, but is not > displaying my Mate desktop. > > I saved aside /var/log/messages and /var/log/Xorg.0.log, uploaded > subsets of them to pastebin. the /var/log/messages subset is https://pastebin.com/MJR2T3Xz, while the xorg.0.log is https://pastebin.com/wrucd77z. > > Note the repeating (apparent) failures at the end of Xorg.0.log.They are fine, just normal chatter you get in there. However, the /var/log/messages does contain some issues with the video driver e.g.: Dec 22 09:43:37 elitebox kernel: radeon 0000:01:00.0: ring 0 stalled for more than 10221msec Dec 22 09:43:37 elitebox kernel: radeon 0000:01:00.0: GPU lockup (current fence id 0x00000000000002f3 last fence id 0x0000000000000302 on ring 0) Dec 22 09:43:37 elitebox kernel: radeon 0000:01:00.0: ring 0 stalled for more than 10722msec Dec 22 09:43:37 elitebox kernel: radeon 0000:01:00.0: GPU lockup (current fence id 0x00000000000002f3 last fence id 0x0000000000000302 on ring 0) Dec 22 09:43:38 elitebox kernel: [drm:r600_ib_test [radeon]] *ERROR* radeon: fence wait failed (-35). Dec 22 09:43:38 elitebox kernel: [drm:radeon_ib_ring_tests [radeon]] *ERROR* radeon: failed testing IB on GFX ring (-35). That's indicative of either a GPU (i.e. graphics card) problem or a driver issue. You can search on the 2nd from last line and there are lots of hits on it but no real solution - I've seen "limit memory use to 3G", "change PCI slot", "OpenGL bug" to "buy different card".> > I don't know what any of this has to do with Mate, but would appreciate > your assistance.Almost certainly not. It's a kernel problem.> > (I ran the update on a netbook and it went fine. both have Intel CPUs, > the netbook has intel graphics, and the new-to-me-etc. laptop has a > Radeon graphics chipset. I dunno if it makes any difference, or how to > tell, or how to fix it, if it does.) > > Suggestions appreciated, in advance! >You might like to try running a different distro on it to check - possibly run Fedora 29 Live from a USB drive. If that works OK using an updated Radeon kernel driver then you know the hardware is OK. P.