On Sat, 7 Apr 2018, Pete Biggs wrote:>> Does CentOS changed the package management? :-) > > Quite. > > This is not an Ubuntu dig, but when I challenge some of the users > about the more dangerous sudo's they try, inevitably they say they > got the command from the net, and by that they usually mean Ubuntu > forums.Whether the instructions come from the Ubuntu forums or not, we regularly experience the same thing: users unthinkingly following instructions in a REAME or posted on a web page. My experience suggests these folks are just on autopilot. We don't even follow up any more on most of the alerts; they'll ask us if it's important. So we rarely give out sudo on shared systems and when we do there's some "extreme vetting" going on. Also, Python has such a mature virtual-environment setup that more publicly posted instructions are using that route anyway. -- Paul Heinlein heinlein at madboa.com 45?38' N, 122?6' W
Valeri Galtsev
2018-Apr-09 16:32 UTC
[CentOS] Semi-OT: install python package in userspace
On 04/09/18 11:15, Paul Heinlein wrote:> On Sat, 7 Apr 2018, Pete Biggs wrote: > >>> Does CentOS changed the package management? :-) >> >> Quite. >> >> This is not an Ubuntu dig, but when I challenge some of the users >> about the more dangerous sudo's they try, inevitably they say they got >> the command from the net, and by that they usually mean Ubuntu forums. > > Whether the instructions come from the Ubuntu forums or not, we > regularly experience the same thing: users unthinkingly following > instructions in a REAME or posted on a web page. My experience suggests > these folks are just on autopilot.Sadly, people became zombies. The ability to categorize (hence use the menu) is wiped completely. Even the majority of "modern" Desktop Environment interfaces expect you to search for what you need instead of giving the menu: everything arranged by category. That's why I switched to MATE quite a while ago. I guess, I didn't blend in into iPad generation... Soon we will ask google how much money we have in our wallet ;-) Valeri> We don't even follow up any more on > most of the alerts; they'll ask us if it's important. So we rarely give > out sudo on shared systems and when we do there's some "extreme vetting" > going on. > > Also, Python has such a mature virtual-environment setup that more > publicly posted instructions are using that route anyway. >-- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
On 2018-04-09, Valeri Galtsev <galtsev at kicp.uchicago.edu> wrote:> > > On 04/09/18 11:15, Paul Heinlein wrote: >> On Sat, 7 Apr 2018, Pete Biggs wrote: >> >>>> Does CentOS changed the package management? :-) >>> >>> Quite. >>> >>> This is not an Ubuntu dig, but when I challenge some of the users >>> about the more dangerous sudo's they try, inevitably they say they >>> got the command from the net, and by that they usually mean Ubuntu >>> forums. >> >> Whether the instructions come from the Ubuntu forums or not, we >> regularly experience the same thing: users unthinkingly following >> instructions in a REAME or posted on a web page. My experience >> suggests these folks are just on autopilot. > > Sadly, people became zombies. The ability to categorize (hence use the > menu) is wiped completely. Even the majority of "modern" Desktop > Environment interfaces expect you to search for what you need instead > of giving the menu: everything arranged by category. That's why I > switched to MATE quite a while ago. I guess, I didn't blend in into > iPad generation...[...] Both GNOME and KDE Plasma offer you a menu of applications by category, if that is what you want. I don't see the problem.
On Mon, 2018-04-09 at 09:15 -0700, Paul Heinlein wrote:> On Sat, 7 Apr 2018, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > > Does CentOS changed the package management? :-) > > > > Quite. > > > > This is not an Ubuntu dig, but when I challenge some of the users > > about the more dangerous sudo's they try, inevitably they say they > > got the command from the net, and by that they usually mean Ubuntu > > forums. > > Whether the instructions come from the Ubuntu forums or not, we > regularly experience the same thing: users unthinkingly following > instructions in a REAME or posted on a web page. My experience > suggests these folks are just on autopilot. We don't even follow up > any more on most of the alerts; they'll ask us if it's important. So > we rarely give out sudo on shared systems and when we do there's some > "extreme vetting" going on.I very rarely follow up as well - it's just when they do something blatantly dangerous or when they do something multiple times.> > Also, Python has such a mature virtual-environment setup that more > publicly posted instructions are using that route anyway. >I've stopped installing random python modules - if it's not in the standard repositories the users are told to install it in their $HOME. If nothing else it's a good learning experience to do it. P.