All,
As much as I hate to ask, how is this project coming along? We are
approaching the 4 month post-release point...
-David
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On Mon, 4 Apr 2011, David Brian Chait wrote:> All, > As much as I hate to ask, how is this project coming along? We are approaching the 4 month post-release point... > > -DavidDavid, Karanbir said on the Twitter account (and elsewhere) roughly 3 weeks after CentOS 5.6 gets released, and that will be hopefully by tomorrow. He says all but 30 packages are OK with CentOS 6, but 5.6 is their first priority. ******************************************************************************* Gilbert Sebenste ******** (My opinions only!) ****** *******************************************************************************
Le 04/04/2011 18:53, David Brian Chait a ?crit :> All, > As much as I hate to ask, how is this project coming along? We > are approaching the 4 month post-release point... > -DavidHi David, The last news given by Karanbir on his twitter account, an March 30, was that 5.6 was "mostly GA", and that "6 was not far"... "the QA guys are having a quick look over the 5.6/ tree's now - mostly considering it GA grade now. <http://twitter.com/CentOS/status/53082820612075520> 5:15 AM Mar 30th <http://twitter.com/CentOS/status/53082820612075520> via web " See : http://twitter.com/centos I don't know if QA guys found something wrong since... Alain -- =========================================================Alain P?an - LPP/CNRS Administrateur Syst?me/R?seau Laboratoire de Physique des Plasmas - UMR 7648 Observatoire de Saint-Maur 4, av de Neptune, Bat. A 94100 Saint-Maur des Foss?s Tel : 01-45-11-42-39 - Fax : 01-48-89-44-33 ========================================================= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/attachments/20110404/bd1a8fb7/attachment-0005.html>
2011/4/4 Gilbert Sebenste <sebenste at weather.admin.niu.edu>:> Karanbir said on the Twitter account (and elsewhere) roughly 3 weeks after > CentOS 5.6 gets released, and that will be hopefully by tomorrow. He says > all but 30 packages are OK with CentOS 6, but 5.6 is their first > priority.If Karanbir says 3 weeks it takes 3 months. (as well as with CentOS 5.6) -- Hendrik
2011/4/5 Dag Wieers <dag at wieers.com>:>> You are one of the few who care to give updates, so thanks for that. > > Nobody else really can give an update, the process is pretty much closed to > the general public. So if the only person why can provide information is off > by 2 months, I'd rather have no information at all.Now is the time to change that. Maybe CentOS just needs a new leadership? -- Hendrik
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 7:29 PM, Rudi Ahlers <Rudi at softdux.com> wrote:> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Brian Mathis > <brian.mathis+centos at betteradmin.com> wrote: >> Appreciate your efforts, but let's make one thing clear: >> >> The SINGLE source of ALL the current community issues (or "whining" as >> you put it) is: >> ? ?***LACK OF INFORMATION*** >> ? ?***LACK OF INFORMATION*** >> ? ?***LACK OF INFORMATION*** >> about what is going on. >> >> No one cares if it's going to take another 3 months. >> >> All that is needed to stop the weekly explosions are some regular >> updates about the process. ?Something like "Working on xyz package but >> ran into this problem. ?Still have to look at packages abc and def" >> would more than satisfy a vast majority of people complaining here. >> It's mind boggling that the project just doesn't seem to understand >> that. >> >> >> // Brian Mathis > > > and prolong development even further.......... > > > -- > Rudi Ahlers > SoftDuxRudi, the most professional thing I can think of to say about this argument, which is continually used, is that it's complete BS. Any developer who doesn't already use some type of status tracking tool is such a beginner that they have probably not yet completed primary school. Clearly this is NOT the level of the CentOS devs. Also, this gets into a much deeper discussion of what is the work product of any IT person. The thing preventing you from doing more work is not how fast you can type, but working out problems. To say that keeping track of your status slows down problem solving is completely ignorant -- in fact it's the opposite since you need to sleep sometime and status tracking will help you get back up to speed faster the next day. // Brian Mathis
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 01:39:33AM +0200, Rudi Ahlers wrote:> > but to send out an email to the list, for every bloody thing the devs > do (even make coffee, but the sounds of the of the demands here?) do > eventually add-up.An update every couple of days, however, really isn't asking a lot.> And, judging by some of the comments it looks like the devs would have > to start doing some of these people's work for them as well....Can't argue that.> P.S. What I'm getting at is that many of the demands form some people > are getting ridiculousConcur 100%. There's a difference in wishing things would change and demanding that same change. John -- Motivation is the art of getting people to do what you want them to do because they want to do it. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower (1890-1969), Thirty-fourth President of the USA -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/attachments/20110404/b80de53a/attachment-0005.sig>
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Rudi Ahlers <Rudi at softdux.com> wrote:> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 1:56 AM, Brian Mathis > <brian.mathis+centos at betteradmin.com> wrote: > >> Rudi, >> >> Cut the crap. ?You're intentionally changing the context of the >> discussion, so please stop posting. ?No one has "demanded" that the >> Devs send an email every time they take a shi^H^H^H^H^H^H^H make a cup >> of coffee, as you have said. ?In fact no one has "demanded" anything. >> Requests, yes. ?A post once in a while with some real information >> (other than "we're working on it") would be nice. >> >> Also I don't see any comments demanding anyone do anyone else's work >> for them. ?Again, you have twisted the conversation to become more of >> a flamefest by making things up that are not true. ?Not one post has >> "demanded" anything. >> >> Everyone is here because they care about the project. ?That's what is >> constantly missing in the replies by those who continue to browbeat >> and deride anyone simply looking for information. ?It's a symptom of a >> deeper problem that will only be made worse by that kind of treatment. >> >> // Brian Mathis > > Brian, since you take it so personal, you should cut the crap. And grow up. > > Have you actually followed, properly, what has been said the past few > weeks about the last updates (i.e. 4.9 / 5.6 & 6.0?) about people > leaving CentOS cause other products are better and how the devs should > step up to keep up with the rest of the world? > > I personally, as well as many others (looking at their comments) are > more than happy to wait for the next release - exactly when it > released. I rely on CentOS for one reason - it's stability and > security. I don't want a half-ass-baked distro.And I frankly don't > care what you think about it. If you don't like it, then move on. Get > RedHat, or Novell or Debian, or whatever fits your needs. BUT PLEASE, > stop putting extra pressure on the devs cause you have some personal > vendetta against how quickly they release their updates. Surely, when > you started using CentOS, you knew exactly what it was and what it's > relationship was with it's upstream vendor. Now, due to their changes, > CentOS updates gets delayed. Live with it, or get in touch with Red > Hat and take it out on them. > > The last thing I want to see if CentOS coming to a grinding halt > because the demand for half-tested-and-released-too-soon-releases and > everyone want an update every 5 days have become too so great the devs > can't get to doing their work properly anymore.I really have no way to respond to such a thorough misreading of what I have said. I don't even know where to begin. For everything you claim I have said I have in fact said the exact opposite. I have no idea where you get the idea of lumping me in with those throwing a tizzy about the releases not being ready. The only thing I have said is that if we want these weekly threads to stop there needs to be better communication. How that translates in your head as me and everyone else "demanding" all sorts of things, pressuring the project, or wanting premature releases is simply beyond any ability of reasonable thought. // Brian Mathis P.S. I do take it very personally when someone mis-characterizes something I have said.
On Mon, 2011-04-04 at 09:53 -0700, David Brian Chait wrote:> All, > As much as I hate to ask, how is this project coming along? We > are approaching the 4 month post-release point? > > -DavidThis reply is in no way directed at you personally David, I just picked your message to reply to :) Such a simple statement, and yet so much list traffic!! I agree people should stop asking about when 6 will be ready. Also, stop asking about 5.6 and 4.9? *please correct my post if I'm wrong* So many people interested in this 'release' date of an essentially free product. I think FOSS is unique in this aspect that it is an actual working product with a release date, and no actual income from the product. If I'm getting something free, I'm not going to pressure the dude who's giving it to me, because at any time, he can tell me to take a running jump! If CentOS was a film, then hold the developers to account. If it is a console game, the same. But it is NOT. It is FOSS. Just be happy you have a pretty new version in your hands as it is. If that still isn't good enough for you, then "Use the Source .... Duke" Grab LFS ebook as a jump of point, and get cracking, or pay RHEL for a frikkin' subscription and get all the latest binaries you want. Personally I see all this chatter as people who wish to help with the "reverse engineer " process that out very generous devs are currently struggling through! Your email address is in the public domain, we can contact you with tasks from the TODO list, and then once you've started to give your free time to that, maybe, just maybe you'll have earned the right to say ... "When is it going to be ready!" Until then, be happy with the free goodness that is CentOS. By the way, there is nothing stopping you compiling the latest and greatest code into the apps you need. After all, the skills that the devs are using - should every good SysAdmin and Linux Head be able to at least do something similar? At the end of the day as the devs of this, and many other FOSS projects say, "It'll be ready when it's frikkin' ready!" hehe! And my final point *sorry, I had a liquid lunch, and feeling quite passionate about my favourite OS* "What the hell is so special about CentOS 6?" The packages that are contained within are available to everyone... already. Whatever feature you could possibly ask for, you can go an get yourself. If you are the type of person that likes bleeding edge on your server, then maybe CentOS is not for you. Fedora, and Ubuntu may suit you better. -- Mister IT Guru Blog http://solosysad.blogspot.com/ Twitter @misteritguru Follow me, I follow you - it's only fair
> Thats a very good question, and something more people should be asking > : here is a terse reply : adopt a part of the distro, contribute tests > and take ownership of driving support for those components forward ( so, > wiki content, support in irc channels and support for users on those > components in the mailing lists ). Start with a package or two, then > move that forward. Start with whats already in the distro. > > Its easy to fixate on the idea of CentOS being the distro and the distro > alone - however, a very large part of what the users see value in is the > user base around CentOS - and focused, specialised help with those areas > would go a long way in 'helping' CentOS.Would this help get a future release out of the door quicker?
> > firstly, get a better email client. Your existing one is broken.Irrelevant, unhelpful and quite rude. Aside from that, if you tell me what you perceive to be the problem, perhaps stand a chance to fix the issue. If it is genuinely a client issue, then please give me something to send back to Yahoo. Assuming it wasn't just a very cheap and childish shot, of course. Obviously it wasn't so broken that you weren't able to read or reply my mail. I can't imagine what terrible hardship it has caused you.> > On 04/06/2011 12:55 PM, Ian Murray wrote: > >> Its easy to fixate on the idea of CentOS being the distro and the > distro > >> alone - however, a very large part of what the users see value in is > the > >> user base around CentOS - and focused, specialised help with those > areas > >> would go a long way in 'helping' CentOS. > > > > Would this help get a future release out of the door quicker? > > > > Sure.Okay, Thanks for clarifying that because it is the releases that appear be the problem at hand and the direct connections don't automatically leap out at me.
On Tuesday, April 05, 2011 09:47:49 AM Mister IT Guru wrote:> I agree people > should stop asking about when 6 will be ready. Also, stop asking about > 5.6 and 4.9? *please correct my post if I'm wrong*Yeah, no reason at all to ask about 4.9, since it's already released. And reports show that 5.6 is rolling to the mirrors as we speak. Yep, should reduce the traffic to the list.... or not.... :-)
2011/4/6 Karanbir Singh <mail-lists at karan.org>:> On 04/06/2011 09:53 PM, Dag Wieers wrote: >>> That's not hard to do - stop reading them then. >> >> And once again we are avoiding a proper solution. >> > > No, once again you dont understand the issues, the problem or the > efforts going into the solution. > > Really, try stopping reading for a few weeks. You might surprise yourself.Do you notice nothing? Or is that the Indian mentality? -- Hendrik
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Sorin Srbu <sorin.srbu at orgfarm.uu.se> wrote:>>-----Original Message----- >>From: centos-bounces at centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces at centos.org] On Behalf >>Of David Sommerseth >>Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 3:42 PM >>To: centos at centos.org >>Subject: Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update? >> >>Which is why I'm investigating a migration to Scientific Linux. > > [Lurking on the sideline and watching the argument(s)]: > > Funny how these discussions come up just in time for each new release... > -- > /SorinYes, stating the obvious. When there's nothing new the project should be focusing on improving things to become stronger to withstand the storm of the next release cycle. It only becomes obvious that has not been done at times like this when the storm has arrived. // Brian Mathis