CentOS virt - Apr 2017 - lvm cache + qemu-kvm stops working after about 20GB of writes

Hello everyone,

Anybody had the chance to test out this setup and reproduce the problem? 
I assumed it would be something that's used often these days and a 
solution would benefit a lot of users. If can be of any assistance 
please contact me.

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On 04/10/2017 10:08 AM, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
> Adding Paolo and Miroslav.
>
> On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 4:49 PM, Richard Landsman - Rimote 
> <richard at rimote.nl <mailto:richard at rimote.nl>> wrote:
>
>     Hello,
>
>     I would really appreciate some help/guidance with this problem.
>     First of all sorry for the long message. I would file a bug, but
>     do not know if it is my fault, dm-cache, qemu or (probably) a
>     combination of both. And i can imagine some of you have this setup
>     up and running without problems (or maybe you think it works, just
>     like i did, but it does not):
>
>     PROBLEM
>     LVM cache writeback stops working as expected after a while with a
>     qemu-kvm VM. A 100% working setup would be the holy grail in my
>     opinion... and the performance of KVM/qemu is great i must say in
>     the beginning.
>
>     DESCRIPTION
>
>     When using software RAID 1 (2x HDD) + software RAID 1 (2xSSD) and
>     create a cached LV out of them, the VM performs initially great
>     (at least 40.000 IOPS on 4k rand read/write)! But then after a
>     while (and a lot of random IO, ca 10 - 20 G) it effectively turns
>     in to a writethrough cache although there's much space left on the
>     cachedlv.
>
>
>     When  working as expected on KVM host all writes go to SSDs
>
>     iostat -x -m 2
>
>     Device:         rrqm/s   wrqm/s     r/s     w/s rMB/s    wMB/s
>     avgrq-sz avgqu-sz   await r_await w_await  svctm  %util
>     sda               0.00   324.50    0.00   22.00 0.00    14.94 
>     1390.57     1.90   86.39    0.00 86.39   5.32  11.70
>     sdb               0.00   324.50    0.00   22.00 0.00    14.94 
>     1390.57     2.03   92.45    0.00 92.45   5.48  12.05
>     sdc               0.00  3932.00    0.00 *2191.50* 0.00 *270.07*  
>     252.39    37.83   17.55 0.00   17.55   0.36 *78.05*
>     sdd               0.00  3932.00    0.00 *2197.50 * 0.00 *271.01 * 
>     252.57    38.96   18.14 0.00   18.14   0.36 *78.95*
>
>
>     When not working as expected on KVM host all writes go through the
>     SSD on to the HDDs (effectively disabling writeback so it becomes
>     a writethrough)
>
>     Device:         rrqm/s   wrqm/s     r/s     w/s rMB/s    wMB/s
>     avgrq-sz avgqu-sz   await r_await w_await  svctm  %util
>     sda               0.00     7.00  234.50 *173.50 * 0.92 *1.95*   
>     14.38    29.27   71.27  111.89 16.37   2.45 *100.00*
>     sdb               0.00     3.50  212.00 *177.50 * 0.83 *1.95*   
>     14.60    35.58   91.24  143.00 29.42   2.57*100.10*
>     sdc               2.50     0.00  566.00 *199.00 * 2.69    
>     0.78     9.28     0.08    0.11    0.13 0.04   0.10 *7.70*
>     sdd               1.50     0.00   76.00 *199.00* 0.65     0.78   
>     10.66     0.02    0.07    0.16 0.04   0.07 *1.85*
>
>
>     Stuff i've checked/tried:
>
>     - The data in the cached LV has then not exceeded even half of the
>     space, so this should not happen. It even happens when only 20% of
>     cachedata is used.
>     - It seems to be triggerd most of the time when %cpy/sync column
>     of `lvs -a` is about 30%. But this is not always the case!
>     - changing the cachepolicy from cleaner to smq, wait (check flush
>     ready with lvs -a) and then back to smq seems to help /sometimes/!
>     But not always...
>
>     lvchange --cachepolicy cleaner /dev/mapper/XXX-cachedlv
>
>     lvs -a
>
>     lvchange --cachepolicy smq /dev/mapper/XXX-cachedlv
>
>     - *when mounting the LV inside the host this does not seem to
>     happen!!* So it looks like a qemu-kvm / dm-cache combination
>     issue. Only difference is that inside host i do mkfs in stead of
>     LVM inside VM (so could be LVM inside VM on top of LVM on KVM host
>     problem too? small chance probably because the first 10 - 20GB it
>     works great!)
>
>     - tried disabling Selinux, upgrading to newest kernels (elrepo ml
>     and lt), played around with dirty_cache thingeys like
>     proc/sys/vm/dirty_writeback_centisecs
>     /proc/sys/vm/dirty_expire_centisecs cat /proc/sys/vm/dirty_ratio ,
>     and migration threashold of dmsetup, and other probably non
>     important stuff like vm.dirty_bytes
>
>     - when in "slow state" the systems kworkers are exessively
using
>     IO (10 - 20 MB per kworker process). This seems to be the
>     writeback process (CPY%Sync) because the cache wants to flush to
>     HDD. But the strange thing is that after a good sync (0% left),
>     the disk may become slow again after a few MBs of data. A reboot
>     sometimes helps.
>
>     - have tried iothreads, virtio-scsi, vcpu driver setting on
>     virtio-scsi controller, cachesettings, disk shedulers etc. Nothing
>     helped.
>
>     - the new samsung 950 PRO SSDs have HPA enabled (30%!!), i have
>     AMD FX(tm)-8350, 16G RAM
>
>     It feels like the lvm cache has a threshold (about 20G of data
>     that is dirty) and that is stops allowing the qemu-kvm process to
>     use writeback caching (the root uses inside the host seems to not
>     have this limitation). It starts flushing, but only to a certain
>     point. After a few  MBs of data it is right back in the slow spot
>     again. Only solution is waiting for a long time (independant of
>     CPY%SYNC) or sometimes change cachepolicy and force flush. This
>     prevents for me the production use of this system. But it's so
>     promising, so I hope somebody can help.
>
>     desired state:  Doing the FIO test (described in section
>     reproduce) repeatedly should keep being fast till cachedlv is more
>     or less full. If resyncing back to disc causes this degradation,
>     it should actually flush it fully within a reasonable time and
>     give opportunity to write fast again up to a given threshold. It
>     now seems like a one time use cache that only uses a fraction of
>     the SSD and is useless/very unstable afterwards.
>
>     REPRODUCE
>     1. Install newest CentOS 7 on software RAID 1 HDDs with LVM. Keep
>     a lot of space for the LVM cache (no /home)! So make the VG as
>     large as possible during anaconda partitioning.
>
>     2. once installed and booted in to the system, install qemu-kvm
>
>     yum install -y centos-release-qemu-ev
>     yum install -y qemu-kvm-ev libvirt bridge-utils net-tools
>     # disbale ksm (probably not important / needed)
>     systemctl disable ksm
>     systemctl disable ksmtuned
>
>     3. create LVM cache
>
>     #set some variables and create a raid1 array with the two SSDs
>
>     VGBASE= && ssddevice1=/dev/sdX1 && ssddevice2=/dev/sdX1
&&
>     hddraiddevice=/dev/mdXXX && ssdraiddevice=/dev/mdXXX &&
mdadm
>     --create --verbose ${ssdraiddevice} --level=mirror --bitmap=none
>     --raid-devices=2 ${ssddevice1} ${ssddevice2}
>
>     # create PV and extend VG
>
>      pvcreate ${ssdraiddevice} && vgextend ${VGBASE}
${ssdraiddevice}
>
>     # create slow LV on HDDs (use max space left if you want)
>
>      pvdisplay ${hddraiddevice}
>      lvcreate -lXXXX -n cachedlv ${VGBASE} ${hddraiddevice}
>
>     # create the meta and data: for testing purposes I keep about 20G
>     of the SSD for a uncached lv. To rule out it is not the SSD.
>
>     lvcreate -l XX -n testssd ${VGBASE} ${ssdraiddevice}
>
>     #The rest can be used as cachedata/metadata.
>
>      pvdisplay ${ssdraiddevice}
>     # about 1/1000 of the space you have left on the SSD for the meta
>     (minimum of 4)
>      lvcreate -l X -n cachemeta ${VGBASE} ${ssdraiddevice}
>     # the rest can be used as cachedata
>      lvcreate -l XXX -n cachedata ${VGBASE} ${ssdraiddevice}
>
>     # convert/combine pools so cachedlv is actually cached
>
>      lvconvert --type cache-pool --cachemode writeback --poolmetadata
>     ${VGBASE}/cachemeta ${VGBASE}/cachedata
>
>      lvconvert --type cache --cachepool ${VGBASE}/cachedata
>     ${VGBASE}/cachedlv
>
>
>     # my system now looks like (VG is called cl, default of installer)
>     [root at localhost ~]# lvs -a
>       LV                VG Attr       LSize   Pool Origin
>       [cachedata]       cl Cwi---C--- 97.66g
>     *  [cachedata_cdata] cl Cwi-ao---- 97.66g **
>     **  [cachedata_cmeta] cl ewi-ao---- 100.00m *
>     *  cachedlv          cl Cwi-aoC---   1.75t [cachedata]
>     [cachedlv_corig] *
>       [cachedlv_corig]  cl owi-aoC--- 1.75t
>       [lvol0_pmspare]   cl ewi------- 100.00m
>       root              cl -wi-ao---- 46.56g
>       swap              cl -wi-ao---- 14.96g
>     *  testssd           cl -wi-a-----  45.47g
>
>     *[root at localhost ~]#lsblk*
>     *
>     NAME                     MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT
>     sdd                        8:48   0   163G  0 disk
>     ??sdd1                     8:49   0   163G  0 part
>       ??md128                  9:128  0 162.9G  0 raid1
>         ??cl-cachedata_cmeta 253:4    0   100M  0 lvm
>         ? ??cl-cachedlv      253:6    0   1.8T  0 lvm
>         ??cl-testssd         253:2    0  45.5G  0 lvm
>         ??cl-cachedata_cdata 253:3    0  97.7G  0 lvm
>           ??cl-cachedlv      253:6    0   1.8T  0 lvm
>     sdb                        8:16   0   1.8T  0 disk
>     ??sdb2                     8:18   0   1.8T  0 part
>     ? ??md127                  9:127  0   1.8T  0 raid1
>     ?   ??cl-swap            253:1    0    15G  0 lvm [SWAP]
>     ?   ??cl-root            253:0    0  46.6G  0 lvm   /
>     ?   ??cl-cachedlv_corig  253:5    0   1.8T  0 lvm
>     ?     ??cl-cachedlv      253:6    0   1.8T  0 lvm
>     ??sdb1                     8:17   0   954M  0 part
>       ??md126                  9:126  0   954M  0 raid1 /boot
>     sdc                        8:32   0   163G  0 disk
>     ??sdc1                     8:33   0   163G  0 part
>       ??md128                  9:128  0 162.9G  0 raid1
>         ??cl-cachedata_cmeta 253:4    0   100M  0 lvm
>         ? ??cl-cachedlv      253:6    0   1.8T  0 lvm
>         ??cl-testssd         253:2    0  45.5G  0 lvm
>         ??cl-cachedata_cdata 253:3    0  97.7G  0 lvm
>           ??cl-cachedlv      253:6    0   1.8T  0 lvm
>     sda                        8:0    0   1.8T  0 disk
>     ??sda2                     8:2    0   1.8T  0 part
>     ? ??md127                  9:127  0   1.8T  0 raid1
>     ?   ??cl-swap            253:1    0    15G  0 lvm [SWAP]
>     ?   ??cl-root            253:0    0  46.6G  0 lvm   /
>     ?   ??cl-cachedlv_corig  253:5    0   1.8T  0 lvm
>     ?     ??cl-cachedlv      253:6    0   1.8T  0 lvm
>     ??sda1                     8:1    0   954M  0 part
>       ??md126                  9:126  0   954M  0 raid1 /boot
>
>     # now create vm
>     wget
>    
http://ftp.tudelft.nl/centos.org/6/isos/x86_64/CentOS-6.9-x86_64-minimal.iso
>    
<http://ftp.tudelft.nl/centos.org/6/isos/x86_64/CentOS-6.9-x86_64-minimal.iso>
>     -P /home/
>     DISK=/dev/mapper/XXXX-cachedlv
>
>     # watch out, my netsetup uses a custom bridge/network in the
>     following command. Please replace with what you normally use.
>     virt-install -n CentOS1 -r 12000 --os-variant=centos6.7 --vcpus 7
>     --disk path=${DISK},cache=none,bus=virtio --network
>     bridge=pubbr,model=virtio --cdrom
>     /home/CentOS-6.9-x86_64-minimal.iso --graphics
>     vnc,port=5998,listen=0.0.0.0 --cpu host
>
>     # now connect with client PC to qemu
>     virt-viewer --connect=qemu+ssh://root at 192.168.0.XXX/system --name
>     CentOS1
>
>     And install everything on the single vda disc with LVM (i use
>     defaults in anaconda, but remove the large /home to prevent SSD
>     beeing over used).
>
>     After install and reboot log in to VM and
>
>     yum install epel-release -y && yum install screen fio htop -y
>
>     and then run disk test:
>
>     fio --randrepeat=1 --ioengine=libaio --direct=1 --gtod_reduce=1
>     --name=test *--filename=test* --bs=4k --iodepth=64 --size=4G
>     --readwrite=randrw --rwmixread=75
>
>     then *keep repeating *but *change the filename* attribute so it
>     does not use the same blocks over and over again.
>
>     In the beginning the performance is great!! Wow, very impressive
>     150MB/s 4k random r/w (close to bare metal, about 20% - 30% loss).
>     But after a few (usually about 4 or 5) runs (always changing the
>     filename, but not overfilling the FS, it drops to about 10 MBs/sec.
>
>     normal/in the beginning
>
>      read : io=3073.2MB, bw=183085KB/s, *iops=45771* , runt= 17188msec
>       write: io=1022.1MB, bw=60940KB/s, *iops=15235* , runt= 17188msec
>
>     but then
>
>      read : io=3073.2MB, bw=183085KB/s, *iops=**2904* , runt= 17188msec
>       write: io=1022.1MB, bw=60940KB/s, *iops=1751* , runt= 17188msec
>
>     or even worse up to the point that it is actually the HDD that is
>     written to (about 500 iops).
>
>     P.S. when a test is/was slow, that means it is on the HDDs. So
>     even when fixing the problem (sometimes just by waiting), that
>     specific file will keep being slow when redoing the test till its
>     promoted to the lvm cache (takes a lot of reads I think). And once
>     on the SSD it sometimes keeps beeing fast, although a new testfile
>     will be slow. So I really recommend changing the testfile all the
>     time when trying to see if a change in speed has occurred.
>
>     -- 
>     Met vriendelijke groet,
>
>     Richard Landsman
>     http://rimote.nl
>
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On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 12:32 PM, Richard Landsman - Rimote <
richard at rimote.nl> wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> Anybody had the chance to test out this setup and reproduce the problem? I
> assumed it would be something that's used often these days and a
solution
> would benefit a lot of users. If can be of any assistance please contact
> me.
>
I haven't seen any additional report of this happening, can you please try
to reproduce with the new qemu-kvm-ev-2.6.0-28.el7_3.9.1 currently in
testing?
> --
> Met vriendelijke groet,
>
> Richard Landsmanhttp://rimote.nl
>
> T: +31 (0)50 - 763 04 07
> (ma-vr 9:00 tot 18:00)
>
> 24/7 bij storingen:
> +31 (0)6 - 4388 7949
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>
>
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Hello everyone,

I've tried just about everything the last weeks and my findings are:

- the problem with LVM cache seems NOT to be caused by KVM/qemu. But is 
/seems/ that it is noticeable more inside a KVM. So the slowdown of the 
cache also happens on HW-node, but you must give it a serious go before 
you notice.

- Not a single time I succeeded in creating a well working cache using 
LVM2 cache. In artificial / KVM setups and with *small* devices it works 
(dm-testsuite etc). But in real life scenario with *fully population all 
the PV's* on 2TB HDDs and 250G SSDs (both RAID 1) the cache stopped 
working after 20 - 50 GB of writes although the cache is 150+G large. 
Please use fio examples below and always use new filenames so not the 
same blocks are overwritten.

The poor performance stayed most of the time even when all blocks were 
flushed. Very unpredictable cache performance / behavior.

I finally decided to go for dm-writeboost in stead of lvm2 cache 
(dm-cache). This was the only way to create a well working cache that 
works till 95% filled. But of course would be nicer to have something 
that generally more stable like LVM2.

I guess in the sens of this mailing-list this issue is resolved because 
it does not seem to belong here.

-- 
Met vriendelijke groet,

Richard Landsman
http://rimote.nl

T: +31 (0)50 - 763 04 07
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On 04/20/2017 04:23 PM, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 12:32 PM, Richard Landsman - Rimote 
> <richard at rimote.nl <mailto:richard at rimote.nl>> wrote:
>
>     Hello everyone,
>
>     Anybody had the chance to test out this setup and reproduce the
>     problem? I assumed it would be something that's used often these
>     days and a solution would benefit a lot of users. If can be of any
>     assistance please contact me.
>
> I haven't seen any additional report of this happening, can you please 
> try to reproduce with the new qemu-kvm-ev-2.6.0-28.el7_3.9.1 currently 
> in testing?
>
>     -- 
>     Met vriendelijke groet,
>
>     Richard Landsman
>     http://rimote.nl
>
>     T: +31 (0)50 - 763 04 07
>     (ma-vr 9:00 tot 18:00)
>
>     24/7 bij storingen:
>     +31 (0)6 - 4388 7949
>     @RimoteSaS (Twitter Serviceberichten/security updates)
>
>
>
>
> -- 
>
> SANDRO BONAZZOLA
>
> ASSOCIATE MANAGER, SOFTWARE ENGINEERING, EMEA ENG VIRTUALIZATION R&D
>
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