On 09/08/2015 06:41 AM, George Dunlap wrote:> On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Johnny Hughes <johnny at centos.org> wrote: >> What we really need is to make the REAL xen RPMs .. the ones produced in >> this SIG .. work with systemd. These RPMs are produced by Citrix, so we >> need to get the right. > > Just to be clear -- RPMs are produced by the CentOS Virt SIG, which is > meant to be an open, community-developed project. At the moment the > xen maintainer happens to work for Citrix, but that's neither here nor > there. > > If there are people who feel like they want to contribute but can't, > please speak up. It takes an effort to do things "in the open", as it > were, and if I don't know anybody's "listening" it's a lot easier just > to do things on my own. > > -GeorgeRight ... I said 'produced by' in relation to Citrix, but I clearly meant to say 'lead by' instead. The point I am trying to make is that we (the SIG, as a community) want to produce RPMs here (in the SIG) that are of use to the community and not fragment to a bunch of different individual people making a bunch of different RPM sets that the community does not know who produces, etc. If we can produce the RPMs instead on the community build system where we (the SIG .. with representation from both the CentOS Project and Citrix) can sign and release the packages then users can be much more sure everything works, etc. For that to happen, we have to work as a group. Thanks, Johnny Hughes -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-virt/attachments/20150908/4e232938/attachment-0002.sig>
Itamar Reis Peixoto
2015-Sep-08 13:02 UTC
[CentOS-virt] Beta CentOS 7 Xen packages available
> not fragment to a bunch of different individual people making a bunch of > different RPM sets that the community does not know who produces, etc. >what you're doing its a complete crap, what you said is different from what you did, why you' (centos virt sig) not contributed to the work of fedora guys instead of reinventing the wheel ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-virt/attachments/20150908/e719c207/attachment-0002.html>
On Tue, Sep 08, 2015 at 10:02:50AM -0300, Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote:> > what you're doing its a complete crap, what you said is different from what > you did, why you' (centos virt sig) not contributed to the work of fedora > guys instead of reinventing the wheel ?If you're that unhappy with the produced product you are not forced to use it. -- "it's like instagram is a way for people to distract from the fact that they are functionally useless" -- anonymous, Freenode IRC -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-virt/attachments/20150908/ab7946d7/attachment-0002.sig>
On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 2:02 PM, Itamar Reis Peixoto <itamar at ispbrasil.com.br> wrote:> >> not fragment to a bunch of different individual people making a bunch of >> different RPM sets that the community does not know who produces, etc. >> > > what you're doing its a complete crap, what you said is different from what > you did, why you' (centos virt sig) not contributed to the work of fedora > guys instead of reinventing the wheel ?I don't know if you noticed, but Fedora and CentOS aren't the same distribution. The users target different things. That said, it would actually be nice to be able to share a lot of the packaging effort with Fedora, if they're willing and if it's possible. It's been something I've thought about for quite a while. If you have any concrete suggestions, feel free to share them. -George
On 09/08/2015 08:02 AM, Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote:> >> not fragment to a bunch of different individual people making a bunch of >> different RPM sets that the community does not know who produces, etc. >> > > what you're doing its a complete crap, what you said is different from > what you did, why you' (centos virt sig) not contributed to the work of > fedora guys instead of reinventing the wheel ?Because we want to have source code that works on both CentOS-6 (based on RHEL 6 Source, which was based on Fedora 12) and CentOS-7 (based on RHEL 7 Sources, which was based on Fedora 18/19). So, the source code for Fedora 22 will not work with both of those. We DID start with the Fedora 12 version of the RPMs, that worked with CentOS-6 and we have rolled in kernels from the kernel.org LTS tree for stability, etc. We have been producing a CentOS-6 version for several year now. We now need to make that work with CentOS-7. It is not just as simple as taking Fedora code, that is always latest and greatest and recompiling it. If it was, RHEL (and therefore CentOS) would have no need to exist at all. Everyone could just use Fedora for everything. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-virt/attachments/20150908/98fb297e/attachment-0002.sig>
FIrstly Centos is primarily a RHEL clone. This means that the primary design decisions are to be as RHEL like as possible. After that there are additions and upgrades. Secondly Fedora does not actively support Xen. As a long time Xen and RH/Fedora user I have spent lots of time building/rebuilding broken/missing packages in Fedora. Quite frankly Xen under Fedora is somewhat broken. Libvirt support for KVM is very good because RH pays people to support KVM. Xen under the old config format has reasonable support(possibly 60% of features) but under libxl the support is much worse (possibly 30% of features). Thirdly RedHat has been active at times to remove Xen support in favour of KVM(Their own virtualization technology). Xen has been driven to some extents by the needs of Citrix and although they have helped others build packages for Fedora and libvirt its a good will effort and its hard to expect Citrix to spend effort on work that may not be in their best corporate interests. On 09/08/2015 09:02 AM, Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote:> > > > not fragment to a bunch of different individual people making a bunch of > > different RPM sets that the community does not know who produces, etc. > > > > what you're doing its a complete crap, what you said is different from > what you did, why you' (centos virt sig) not contributed to the work > of fedora guys instead of reinventing the wheel ? > > > > _______________________________________________ > CentOS-virt mailing list > CentOS-virt at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-virt-- Alvin Starr || voice: (905)513-7688 Netvel Inc. || Cell: (416)806-0133 alvin at netvel.net || -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-virt/attachments/20150908/34a064fe/attachment-0002.html>