Btrfs devel - Jan 2008 - Somthing like "userlevel transactions"? [WAS Booting from snapshot and more...]

Hi!
Sorry, I was wrong thinking about booting from snapshot...
So now, will be possible with btrfs scenario like this:
- make (writable?) snapshots of whole system (all filesystems) before
dangerous things
- do what we want (upgrade, install new software...)
- then "apply" these changes and remove those snapshots or
"rollback" changes by (re)booting, mounting snapshots and discarding
changes
since these snapshots.

Or even:
- explicitly start transaction(s) on filesystem(s) with userspace tool
(btrfsctl)
- do what we want
- commit or rollback transaction (like in RDBMS)

Thanks!

On Monday 21 January 2008, sftf wrote:
> Hi!
> Sorry, I was wrong thinking about booting from snapshot...
> So now, will be possible with btrfs scenario like this:
> - make (writable?) snapshots of whole system (all filesystems) before
> dangerous things
> - do what we want (upgrade, install new software...)
> - then "apply" these changes and remove those snapshots or
> "rollback" changes by (re)booting, mounting snapshots and
discarding
> changes since these snapshots.
Yes, the above would be possible, as long as rollback was considered a manual 
operation.  The FS can't know how the files are being used, so it can't
just
replace them with older versions.
>
> Or even:
> - explicitly start transaction(s) on filesystem(s) with userspace tool
> (btrfsctl) - do what we want
> - commit or rollback transaction (like in RDBMS)
Unfortunately, the kinds of transactions that userland wants don't mix well 
with the kernel.  Basically the kernel needs to be able to close transactions 
sometimes in order to reclaim memory and disk space.  It might also need to 
do it for events like sync or snapshot creation.

A userland transaction can run forever, and it implies a transaction abort if 
the process dies before it commits.  This is very different from the 
transactions done in the kernel now.

It is definitely an interesting problem, but well outside the scope of
Btrfs'
current feature list.

-chris