You said it in your first post when you said “I reallt don’t understand.” You
don’t understand the business that these people are in. A few people showed you
a few examples of why it’s important to use more than one carrier--and there are
other reasons that stir/shaken is a big deal for some of us.
It clearly isn’t a big deal for you, so you probably don’t have much to add to
the discussion.
--Don
From: asterisk-users <asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com> On
Behalf Of Sebastian Nielsen
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:21 PM
To: 'Mailing List' <asterisk-users at lists.digium.com>
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] STIR/SHAKEN
1: 1M DID’s? Then I would go straight out and say you are a phone operator, and
then getting your own STIR/SHAKEN certificate shouldn’t be a problem at all.
Thats a massive amount of numbers, unrealistically many numbers for any company
ever except for those that are a phone operator.
2: For me, its seems like hunting for nano-cents. I checked around when I got my
DID and call account for my own personal use, and the prices aren’t that
different. Its really not worth the effort for what you save. Checked with
several operators and the prices are almost the same per minute, its like one
operator has like 0.016 per minute and another has 0.014 … not gonna save much
on that. Might save like 1$-2$ per month on choosing the latter operator.
3: Why? Consolidiate all your agreements to 1 single operator that handles
everything, and everything will be so much simpler. Then you are simply a trunk
ccustomer to that particular operator, no need to handle all this with signing
and certificates and everything..
To save a little tiny nano-cent from each minute of call..
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<asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com <mailto:asterisk-users-bounces
at lists.digium.com> > För Joel Serrano
Skickat: den 12 mars 2021 01:52
Till: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion <asterisk-users
at lists.digium.com <mailto:asterisk-users at lists.digium.com> >
Ämne: Re: [asterisk-users] STIR/SHAKEN
Hi,
I wanted to add some comments to Sebastian's response:
1- When you have a lot of DIDs, you can't just "port" them over
from company1 to company2. Try to have 1M or so DIDs and ask if you can just
port them. No no, not that simple. There is a process that a lot of times is not
worth the cost/risk/etc.
2- What happens if company1 has very good pricing for DIDs, but extremely high
rates for placing outbound calls, and company2 has super aggressive pricing for
the destinations you use most, but sells DIDs very expensive? Mix and match? :)
3- What do you do, when instead of having 1 outbound carrier, you have several
50?
At the end I think you are mistakenly comparing apples to oranges, your DID
provider has nothing to do with your outbound carrier, can the DID provider also
give you outbound calling? Most likely, but that doesn't mean that the best
way to go is to route outbound calls via the carrier that is providing you DIDs.
On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 4:34 PM Sebastian Nielsen <sebastian at sebbe.eu
<mailto:sebastian at sebbe.eu> > wrote:
I reallt don’t understand why people simply use the same operator to terminate
your calls, which also provide DIDs for you.
Then you don’t need to touch this at all, your carrier will do all the
STIR/SHAKEN handling for you, you are just a PBX customer.
And then the operator then simply limits your account to only present your DID
as outgoing number.
Seems to be a unneccesary complicated solution just to have your numbers at
company 1 and have your call termination at company 2.
So fricking unneccessary.
What I know there is requirements of number portability, so as long as company 2
can handle DIDs (ergo ”own” DIDs) you should be able to move your DIDs from
company 1 to company 2 – then company 2 owns your DIDs.
Best regards, Sebastian Nielsen
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<asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com <mailto:asterisk-users-bounces
at lists.digium.com> > För Alexander Perkins
Skickat: den 12 mars 2021 01:23
Till: asterisk-users at lists.digium.com <mailto:asterisk-users at
lists.digium.com>
Ämne: Re: [asterisk-users] STIR/SHAKEN
Hi Jeff. What exactly do you mean by the 'inbound piece'? I've
spent quite a lot of time with the folks at TILTX understanding the framework;
but I am not exactly sure what you mean by the 'inbound piece.
Greg/Doug, like many folks here, we use LCR. So, the terminating carrier is not
necessarily the one that issued us the telephone numbers. So, they will not
sign it or simply cannot sign it. Remember that a very limited number of
companies can actually sign the calls; the rest have to buy it from these
'Service Providers'.
And there is another situation - the company you purchase your numbers from and
the company you place your calls through may be different and both may not be
able to sign your calls. Again, a very limited number of service providers that
can actually sign your calls. So what do you do in that scenario? You have to
find a Service Provider that can:
1. Verify you own that telephone number(s).
2. Sign your calls.
3. Provide you with the technical means to do so.
So, that's that... I hope this makes sense.
Alex
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