asterisk users - Mar 2008 - NIN Ghosts music (free download) safe for MOH?

Is the new NIN Ghosts music (free download) safe for MOH?

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I would advise against it right now and contact the artist.  The RIAA
or the (forgot the name, they charge restaurants and stores for
playing music over the PA) would assume that if it is popular one of
their members owns it.

Other than that I would also assume your primary audience must share
your musical taste.



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On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 09:10:30AM -0800, Justin Newman
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> Is the new NIN Ghosts music (free download) safe for MOH?
Did you read the license?

http://ghosts.nin.com/main/faq

  Ghosts I-IV is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution
  Non-Commercial Share Alike license.

http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/us/

Right, that's *non-commercial*. So maybe you can use it in an
installation for which you don't charge money for (but TINALAYYY
(This Is Not A Legal Advice, Yada, Yada, Yada)).

For other options, http://search.creativecommons.org/ , and mark the
checkbox labled "Search for works I can use for commercial purposes."

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That'd be ASCAP (I think there's another one too).  They're the ones
known for calling up places, asking to be put on hold to listen to the hold
music, then querying on whether it's been licensed or not (among other
tactics).

Pretty much, unless it's music developed in-house, I wouldn't put it on
the hold line unless you're willing to risk a fight with them (and even
then, they're likely to make a fuss just for the heck of it).

I also suppose this is why Novell support calls are $650 per-incident -- because
of the large variety of hold music you'll hear on their "support
radio".  Groups like Metallica, Smashmouth, etc.., even a live DJ.  That
all adds up....

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I would advise against it right now and contact the artist.  The RIAA
or the (forgot the name, they charge restaurants and stores for
playing music over the PA) would assume that if it is popular one of
their members owns it.

Other than that I would also assume your primary audience must share
your musical taste.



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> Ok now I am curious, if a radio is playing in a store, a restaurant or at
> the beach, wouldn't that be considered a public performance? And even
though
> the radio station has already paid the license fee, does this mean that the
> person who owns the radio is also subject to these fees? I know of several
> key systems with FM radio cards providing MoH and I've often wondered
about
> the ramifications of that setup and the music industry. 
Well, ASCAP/BMI are stingy on collecting their fees -- one of them even went
after a shop for playing the Monday Night Football theme just because they had
the TV on that channel when it came on.  It seems kind of ruthless if you ask
me, but these guys play their cards well, and generally avoid attracting the
same the kind of infamy that the RIAA has managed to garner.  Unlike the RIAA,
they actually pay out their collected royalties.  I don't know what their
fees even are, but I think they're not too bad from a business'
standpoint.

Probably can't hurt to call them up and just ask.  They might be willing to
explain things in better detail.  Just be wary if they want your company's
information :)


--J