Dean Collins
2006-Sep-08 12:47 UTC
[asterisk-users] RE: Peter Dicks Chairman ofSportingbet PLC is arrested at JFK!!
Lol, ok - last post on the topic...I promise. I'm going to let Ze Frank have the last word about the state of government policy under the current administration and the role it plays in the international stewardship here in the USA zefrank.com/theshow/archives/2006/09/share_090806.html Jay....hope you don't plan on visiting China soon :) Cheers, Dean> -----Original Message----- > From: Dean Collins > Sent: Friday, 8 September 2006 1:40 PM > To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' > Subject: FW: Peter Dicks Chairman ofSportingbet PLC is arrested atJFK!!> > Yes I am aware he is the second executive to be arrested......thefirst is still yet to> be charged and is still awaiting trial and has fallen off the face ofthe general media> which is why I'm 'motivated' to draw attention and outrage to thissecond case.> > Yes you are right it does belong off this list but with so many peopleon this list> doing international business on the internet (including yourself bythe looks of your> own voip carrier website). > > So when someone from China places an order on your website for a voipservice,> you agree that it would be ok for the Chinese government to let theChinese> customer go free but for them to arrest you and any other directorsmuWare?> > (also lets not forget that the WTO has already ruled that USAgovernment is in> breach with their court case back in March). > > I'm very curious about your thoughts or will you prefer to stick yourhead in the sand> and pretend that the USA lives in a bubble on the planet earth andwould prefer> that Walmart not do business internationally or that the Ford motorcar you drive> not use Australian steel etc etc. > > > > > Cheers, > > Dean > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com[mailto:asterisk-users-> > bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Jay Milk > > Sent: Friday, 8 September 2006 1:22 PM > > To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion > > Subject: Re: {Fraud?} RE: [asterisk-users] FW: Peter Dicks Chairman > ofSportingbet > > PLC isarrested at JFK!! > > > > Why don't you keep political diatribe to your blog? This is OT, and > > quite frankly it displays that you have less than perfect grasp onreality.> > Mark Spencer makes a software product that is perfectly legal to use > > anywhere in the world, even in India (as long as it stays within a > > building and used as a PBX only). It's the user's responsibility to > > understand and follow local law in utilizing this software. By thesame> > token, a vehicle is legal to use for most, but it becomes a weaponwhen> > you intentionally or neglectfully run someone over. > > Peter Dicks was operating a business that was offering certainservices> > that are illegal in the place where he offered them. If he wasarrested> > the moment he entered the US, then this was investigated before, andhe> > was asked to cease offering these illegal services in the US, buthas> > refused to do so -- if you followed the news as enthusiastically asyou> > post OT messages, then you would have realized that Dicks was the > > *second* executive that was arrested. This should have come as no > > surprise to Dicks or his lawyers. > > So, now we're seeing the guy not as a clueless tourist, but a > > law-defying visitor. He's done something that is illegal, hasrefused to> > stop, and was dumb enough to step into the jurisdiction of hiscrime. Is> > there a problem with that? Because if there is, you need to start > > defending Columbian drug-lords and terrorists, too. > > This is fulfills my quote of OT posts for the day. Just had to say > > something in the face of such obvious stupidity. > > > > Dean Collins wrote: > > > > > > Exactly so why aren't they trying to arrest the 50 million peoplein> > > the USA who have gambled online? > > > > > > Mark (as far as I know) isn't actively checking with asteriskusers> > > for what country they are in so therefore in the reciprocal eyesof> > > the indian government he is similarly breaking the law. > > > > > > Basically what the USA government is charging Peter Dicks with isnot> > > being a global policeman to enforce a USA law (which the WTO has > > > already ruled is illegal back in March > > > internetnews.com/ec-news/article.php/3434111 ). > > > > > > The USA government can't enforce it's principals on the rest ofthe> > > world otherwise they are no better than the terrorists who aretrying> > > to impose Sharia Law on the world. > > > > > > I'm trying terribly not to take this discussion any further OffTopic> > > but realistically we live in a global society and the USA is > > > overstepping it's limits on international trade here. I appreciate > > > this isn't the best forum for it but this has much widerramifications> > > for those of us who do business internationally in and with theUSA.> > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Dean > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > > > *From:* asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com > > > [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] *On Behalf Of*Alex Robar> > > *Sent:* Friday, 8 September 2006 12:45 PM > > > *To:* Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion > > > *Subject:* Re: [asterisk-users] FW: Peter Dicks Chairman of > > > Sportingbet PLC isarrested at JFK!! > > > > > > The guy was arrested because he was conciously allowing UScitizens to> > > gamble online, something illegal in the US at this point. He ran a > > > business who's sole profit source came from this illegal activity. > > > Spencer is an entirely different situation. He's not running a > > > business in which he provides VoIP to places where it is illegal.He's> > > running a business the develops software that enables VoIP...There's> > > a big difference there. If someone takes the software and uses itin a> > > place where VoIP is illegal, that does not make Spencerresponsible.> > > Think of it along the lines of BitTorrent software. The softwareisn't> > > illegal - it has valid uses - but it _could_ be used for something > > > illegal. All that means is that the user of the software hascommited> > > a crime; Not the developer. > > > > > > Alex > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > > > *From:* Dean Collins > > > *Sent:* Friday, 8 September 2006 10:22 AM > > > *To:* 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-CommercialDiscussion'> > > *Subject:* FW: Peter Dicks Chairman of Sportingbet PLC isarrested> > > at JFK!! > > > > > > I'm sending this to the asterisk list - consciously knowing it > > > will piss some people off but this is the *most importantbusiness> > > issue of the day* for anyone doing business in or with a UScompany.> > > > > > Oh and before anyone on this list thinks of calling this OT -how> > > about Mark Spencer being arrested while travelling in acountry> > > like India or the Middle East that has banned VOIP services(which> > > is still illegal because they cant tax it of course). > > > > > > I don't know what you are going to be able to do with this > > > information but this has to be discussed as it affect thefuture> > > of international commerce when dealing with the USA. > > > > > > Best intentions, > > > > > > Dean > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > > > *From:* Dean Collins > > > *Sent:* Friday, 8 September 2006 10:15 AM > > > *Subject:* Peter Dicks Chairman of Sportingbet PLC is arrestedat> > > JFK!! > > > > > > This is bullshit. > > > > > > I don't know how to effectively express my outrage over this > > > action by the US government. > > > > > > Check out these links for background info; > > > > > > nytimes.com > > > > > ><nytimes.com/2006/09/08/technology/08gamble.html?_r=1&oref=sl ogin> > > > > > > > > money.cnn.com > > > > > ><money.cnn.com/2006/09/08/news/international/bc.leisure.sportingb et.reut/?p> > ostversion=2006090808> > > > > > > today.reuters.co.uk > > > > > ><today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=internetNews&stor yID=200> > 6-09-07T160138Z_01_N07242747_RTRIDST_0_OUKIN-UK-LEISURE- > > SPORTINGBET-DICKS.XML> > > > > > > businessweek.com > > > > > ><businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D8K02SM85.htm?sub=apn_euro> > _up&chan=gb> > > > > > > So basically we have a UK citizen, operating a UK business > > > (sportingbetplc.com board) > > > > > ><sportingbetplc.com/pages/15/Our+Board.stm?PHPSESSID=15ba3131> > b6035fc855dabdde5c19b246> > > > who the moment he steps foot into the USA is arrested, not for > > > crimes he committed but for crimes committted by US citizens. > > > > > > Oh and arrested under ambiguous Louisiana law, that definesall> > > interstate gaming as illegal. > > > > > > I cant wait for the chairman of the NY Times to be arrested ona> > > visit to China because chinese citizens were reading copies ofthe> > > NY Times on the internet. > > > > > > Oh and as for visiting 'unfriendly' countries, how about ifCastro> > > started shooting american tourists he found in Cuba for'crimes of> > > treason' in carrying US dollars in their wallets? > > > > > > This is insane America. When are you going to wake up andbegin to> > > be a good 'world citizen'? > > > > > > You cant just arrest people for 'crimes against the state'that> > > dont even occur in your country........isn't that whatterrorists> > > do? Impose their will against the world at large. > > > > > > I keep hoping I will wake up and the insanity will end? it'slike> > > a bad dream. > > > It's getting hard to tell who is the bad guys anymore. > > > > > >deancollinsblog.blogspot.com/2006/09/peter-dicks-chairman-of-> > sportingbet.html > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- > > > > > > asterisk-users mailing list > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > > > lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- > > > > asterisk-users mailing list > > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > > lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users