Yes it is an addon of Plesk, thats stating the obvious. But while your complaining about people writing stuff to use what are you doing. If your not a developer don't critisize the developers. I see nothing more than you displaying that you are the Vice President of a 2 man consulting firm. Which means you have to sell other peoples developed products. Not to mention you are being critical of plesk, yet you use to host you websites for your business. Dude, we all have opinions, like crapholes they all stink, your's just stood out.
If developers only ever get feedback from other developers, how will they ever produce something that the market needs? Shouln't you also listen to your customers? And surely someone who uses Plesk already is ideally placed to give an opinion on whether it's suitable? Peter On 08/08/06, Matthew Warren <mwarren@ru-intouch.com> wrote:> Yes it is an addon of Plesk, thats stating the obvious. But while your > complaining about people writing stuff to use what are you doing. If your > not a developer don't critisize the developers. I see nothing more than you > displaying that you are the Vice President of a 2 man consulting firm. > Which means you have to sell other peoples developed products. > > Not to mention you are being critical of plesk, yet you use to host you > websites for your business. Dude, we all have opinions, like crapholes they > all stink, your's just stood out. > > _______________________________________________ > --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- > > asterisk-users mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >-- Peter Bowyer Email: peter@bowyer.org
asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com wrote:> Yes it is an addon of Plesk, thats stating the obvious. But while > your complaining about people writing stuff to use what are you > doing. If your not a developer don't critisize the developers. I > see nothing more than you displaying that you are the Vice President > of a 2 man consulting firm. Which means you have to sell other > peoples developed products. > > Not to mention you are being critical of plesk, yet you use to host > you websites for your business. Dude, we all have opinions, like > crapholes they all stink, your's just stood out.I will stand up here and join Greg... (and we are not 2 man business, nor is Greg's to my knowledge) One can not build the GUI administration for asterisk from a "base" that was designed for another purpose without reaching the limits. And guess what then...? a complete re-write will required. :) In addition... supporting your customers is not trivial with asterisk. You HAVE to know your telephony/VoIP stuff very very well specially since you are giving them the interface to which they have no knowledge of "internals"... Regards, Senad www.bicomsystems.com
On Tue, 8 Aug 2006, Matthew Warren wrote:> Yes it is an addon of Plesk, thats stating the obvious. But while your > complaining about people writing stuff to use what are you doing. If your > not a developer don't critisize the developers. I see nothing more than you > displaying that you are the Vice President of a 2 man consulting firm. > Which means you have to sell other peoples developed products.Wow. Such hostility. Some corrections. 1. I am using a variety of customer built and off the shelf products, both stuff that I've written, commissioned to have written and/or purchased from companies such as PBXware, Switchvox, VoiceRoute etc. My customer's needs drive my decisions as to what should be deployed, not a religious fervor. However, my customers also pay me to make solid decisions on technology based on my (considerable) experience in the field. 2. N2Net, of which I an the Vice President, started 11 years ago as a 1 man consulting company. We are quite a bit larger now, but that isn't important. What is important is that you haven't even taken the time to verify who you are talking to, and/or what their credentials are. Bad move on your part, and probably not the smartest thing to fire off to a list such as this. I'll chalk it up to a mistake on your part. A google search of your name and the term Asterisk doesn't show a whole lot. You might consider doing the same with my name "Gregory Boehnlein Asterisk" to see what comes up.> Not to mention you are being critical of plesk, yet you use to host you > websites for your business.Yes.. I host several thousand websites with PLESK, and as such am quite well positioned to voice an opinion about their software and methodologies. As far as Web control panels go, they are the best in the industry, but the industry has pretty low standards. I dislike PLESK for a variety of reasons and personally see that someone using it as a basis for a Web UI for Asterisk is trying to push a square peg through a round hole. That doesn't mean that VoipNow sucks, just means that I'll probably not use it or reccomend it to my clients because I think the architecture and design are fudamentally flawed, and it's my reputation on the line. However, if someone asked me for a reccomendation on a Control Panel software for Web Hosting, I would have no hesitations reccomending PLESK to them, provided they understand the limitations of the platform.> Dude, we all have opinions, like crapholes they > all stink, your's just stood out.Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and you have every right to have your own. I don't agree with it, but I'm not going to resort to childish insults and petty comments. -- Vice President of N2Net, a New Age Consulting Service, Inc. Company http://www.n2net.net Where everything clicks into place! KP-216-121-ST
Matthew Warren wrote:> Yes it is an addon of Plesk, thats stating the obvious.I'm really confused how you think this is an addon of plesk? Sure it looks like plesk, and feels like plesk, but what idiot would run a voip system on top of a shared hosting server especially one as insecure as plesk? Sure 4psa has made products specifically for plesk, but I doubt they are a one pony show. It is very trivial to install the demo and take for a real test drive how about just doing it instead of dreaming of what could be. Miles