David Hajek
2006-Mar-31 05:16 UTC
[Asterisk-Users] Re: BRI cards, HFC, and bristuff - a generalquestionto clear up my understanding.
Thanks. I think our problem ca be similar. Have you tried to call from analog phone #1 to another analog phone #2? It works. But when you try to call vice versa from #2 to #1 it does not work. When you restart asterisk it works again - but only one direction. -David ________________________________ From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Filip Dr?gowski Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 1:40 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: BRI cards, HFC, and bristuff - a generalquestionto clear up my understanding. Asterisk 1.2.4 + bristuff-0.3.0-PRE-1l + libpri-1.2.2 + zapte-1.2.3 + *CLI> zap show status Description Alarms IRQ bpviol CRC4 quadBRI PCI ISDN Card 1 Span 1 [TE] (ca? OK 0 0 0 quadBRI PCI ISDN Card 1 Span 2 [TE] (ca? OK 0 0 0 quadBRI PCI ISDN Card 1 Span 3 [TE] (ca? OK 0 0 0 quadBRI PCI ISDN Card 1 Span 4 [TE] (ca? OK 0 0 0 Wildcard TDM400P REV E/F Board 1 OK 0 0 0 and it seems to work. Only sip phones connected to *PBX (by gateways or ethernet) as i remember installation process: 1. bristuff patching asterisk/libpri/zaptel 2. libpri/zaptel/asterisk install 3. zaptel/quozap/wctdm modules installation Runs on Debian 3.1. kernel 2.6.15.4 but i have problem: when SIP hardphone hangup connection (SIP/ <-> Zap/) asterisk don't send Q.931 DISCONNECT message, and i don't have any idea how to fight with that. Filip D. Does anyone test Asterisk 1.2.X + bristuff-0.3.X and TDM card? We can't get it to work. -David -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Julian J. M. Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 1:44 AM To: Chris Earle; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: BRI cards, HFC,and bristuff - a general questionto clear up my understanding. I have 2 different instalations with 1 Billion HFC Card (1port), and 1 TDM400. Asterisk 1.0.10+bristuff+florz patch. Only issue is that you must load all modules (wcfxs, zaphfc) before runing ztcfg, otherwise nothing works. Everything works ok, even faxing. Julian. On 3/30/06, Chris Earle <cearle@cbltech.ca> <mailto:cearle@cbltech.ca> wrote: What? After hours of searching for anything to help me, I found this comment about zaptel cards in systems with bristuff-cards (junghanns for me in this case) I havent' seen any other reports of this sort of behaviour --- can anyone confirm whether they've got a QuadBRI and TDM400P card working together in one machine? thanks :-S "Zoa" <zoachien@securax.org> <mailto:zoachien@securax.org> wrote in message news:4370F2BE.3090507@securax.org... <snip> We stopped with the bristuff as bristuff will break any other zaptel cards in the same system. (pri seems logical, why the tdm card also broke is unknown to me). <snip> _______________________________________________ --Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users _______________________________________________ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users _______________________________________________ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- ___________________________________ Filip Dr?gowski Mobile: +48(0)500 054045 E-mail: F.Dragowski@ontp.net ___________________________________ ONTP.NET Tomasz Karczewski Aleja Wojska Polskiego 33 pokoj 122 65-077 Zielona G?ra, Poland Mobile: +48(0)501 653395 Office: +48(0)68 4141018 Fax: +48(0)68 4141017 http://www.ontp.net ___________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/attachments/20060331/4545a8c2/attachment.htm
Filip Drągowski
2006-Mar-31 05:52 UTC
[Asterisk-Users] Re: BRI cards, HFC, and bristuff - a generalquestionto clear up my understanding.
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-2" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> <tt><small>It's look like this:<br> incomming connection<br> channel = Zap/7, dstchannel = SIP/200 (SIP hardphone)<br> when SIP/200 hangs up Asterisk do:<br> - Changing state for Zap/7 - state 1 (Not in use) and<br> - Changing state for SIP/200 - state 1 (Not in use)<br> but don't send ISDN-Q.931 DISCONNECT message to finally release channel.<br> astersik get DISCONNECT from network provider<br> <br> Similar is for outgoing connection from SIP/200 to Zap/7 <br> Asterisk (sometimes) send DISCONNECT but rarely.<br> <br> is this a behaviour of confilcts betwwen bristuff-card and zaptel-cards ?<br> <br> Filip D.<br> </small><br> </tt> <blockquote cite="mid6DAC4A932CA789459E7DABB9F7590FFA012B974C@xus.in.systinet.com" type="cite"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; "> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"> <!--[if !mso]> <style> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} </style> <![endif]--><o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="country-region"><o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"> <!--[if !mso]> <style> st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } </style> <![endif]--> <style> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face         {font-family:Tahoma;         panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal         {margin:0pt;         margin-bottom:.0001pt;         font-size:12.0pt;         font-family:"Times New Roman";         color:black;} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink         {color:blue;         text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed         {color:blue;         text-decoration:underline;} p         {mso-margin-top-alt:auto;         margin-right:0pt;         mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;         margin-left:0pt;         font-size:12.0pt;         font-family:"Times New Roman";} pre         {margin:0pt;         margin-bottom:.0001pt;         font-size:10.0pt;         font-family:"Courier New";         color:black;} tt         {font-family:"Courier New";} span.EmailStyle19         {mso-style-type:personal-reply;         font-family:Tahoma;         color:blue;         font-weight:normal;         font-style:normal;         text-decoration:none none;} @page Section1         {size:612.0pt 792.0pt;         margin:70.85pt 70.85pt 70.85pt 70.85pt;} div.Section1         {page:Section1;} --> </style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" /> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext="edit"> <o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" /> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--> </o:SmartTagType></o:SmartTagType></o:SmartTagType> <div class="Section1"> <p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Tahoma" size="1"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Tahoma; color: blue;">Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Tahoma" size="1"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Tahoma; color: blue;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Tahoma" size="1"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Tahoma; color: blue;">I think our problem ca be similar. Have you tried to call from analog phone #1 to another analog phone #2? It works. But when you try<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Tahoma" size="1"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Tahoma; color: blue;">to call vice versa from #2 to #1 it does not work. When you restart asterisk it works again – but only one direction. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: windowtext;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: windowtext;">-David<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: windowtext;"> <hr tabindex="-1" align="center" size="2" width="100%"></span></font></div> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><font color="black" face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; color: windowtext; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font color="black" face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; color: windowtext;"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com">asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com</a> [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com">mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com</a>] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Filip Dr±gowski<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, March 31, 2006 1:40 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: BRI cards, HFC, and bristuff - a generalquestionto clear up my understanding.</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: windowtext;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><tt><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Asterisk 1.2.4 + bristuff-0.3.0-PRE-1l + libpri-1.2.2 + zapte-1.2.3 + </span></font></tt><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";"><br> <tt><font face="Courier New">*CLI> zap show status</font></tt><br> <tt><font face="Courier New">Description Alarms IRQ bpviol CRC4</font></tt><br> <tt><font face="Courier New">quadBRI PCI ISDN Card 1 Span 1 [TE] (ca· OK 0 0 0</font></tt><br> <tt><font face="Courier New">quadBRI PCI ISDN Card 1 Span 2 [TE] (ca· OK 0 0 0</font></tt><br> <tt><font face="Courier New">quadBRI PCI ISDN Card 1 Span 3 [TE] (ca· OK 0 0 0</font></tt><br> <tt><font face="Courier New">quadBRI PCI ISDN Card 1 Span 4 [TE] (ca· OK 0 0 0</font></tt><br> <tt><font face="Courier New">Wildcard TDM400P REV E/F Board 1 OK 0 0 0</font></tt><br> <tt><font face="Courier New">and it seems to work. Only sip phones connected to *PBX (by gateways or ethernet)</font></tt><br> <tt><font face="Courier New">as i remember installation process:</font></tt><br> <tt><font face="Courier New">1. bristuff patching asterisk/libpri/zaptel </font></tt><br> <tt><font face="Courier New">2. libpri/zaptel/asterisk install</font></tt><br> <tt><font face="Courier New">3. zaptel/quozap/wctdm modules installation</font></tt><br> <tt><font face="Courier New">Runs on Debian 3.1. kernel 2.6.15.4</font></tt><br> <br> <tt><font face="Courier New">but i have problem: when SIP hardphone hangup connection (SIP/ <-> Zap/)</font></tt><br> <tt><font face="Courier New">asterisk don't send Q.931 DISCONNECT message, and i don't have any idea how to fight with that.</font></tt><br> <br> <tt><font face="Courier New">Filip D.</font></tt><br> </span></font><br> <br> <br> <br> <o:p></o:p></p> <pre wrap=""><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Does anyone test Asterisk 1.2.X + bristuff-0.3.X and TDM card? We can't<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">get it to work.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">-David<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From: <a href="mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com">asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">[<a href="mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com">mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com</a>] On Behalf Of Julian J.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">M.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 1:44 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">To: Chris Earle; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: BRI cards, HFC,and bristuff - a<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">general questionto clear up my understanding.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">I have 2 different instalations with 1 Billion HFC Card (1port), and 1<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">TDM400. Asterisk 1.0.10+bristuff+florz patch.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Only issue is that you must load all modules (wcfxs, zaphfc) before<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">runing ztcfg, otherwise nothing works.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Everything works ok, even faxing.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Julian.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">On 3/30/06, Chris Earle <a href="mailto:cearle@cbltech.ca"><cearle@cbltech.ca></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" type="cite"> <pre wrap=""><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">What? After hours of searching for anything to help me, I found this<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">comment about zaptel cards in systems with bristuff-cards (junghanns<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">for me<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" type="cite"> <pre wrap=""><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">in this case)<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">I havent' seen any other reports of this sort of behaviour --- can<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">anyone<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" type="cite"> <pre wrap=""><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">confirm whether they've got a QuadBRI and TDM400P card working<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">together in<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" type="cite"> <pre wrap=""><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">one machine?<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">thanks :-S<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">"Zoa" <a href="mailto:zoachien@securax.org"><zoachien@securax.org></a> wrote in message<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><a href="news:4370F2BE.3090507@securax.org">news:4370F2BE.3090507@securax.org</a>...<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <pre wrap=""><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><snip><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" type="cite"> <pre wrap=""><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">We stopped with the bristuff as bristuff will break any other zaptel<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">cards in the same system. (pri seems logical, why the tdm card also<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">broke is unknown to me).<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><snip><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" type="cite"> <pre wrap=""><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre> <pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">--Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com 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