I'm looking to move one of my clients to an Asterisk system and a VoIP provider (Teliax, Voxee, ViaTalk, Voicepulse). My concern is porting my client's numbers to a VoIP provider. Let's say we get all their numbers ported to Teliax (or Voxee or viatalk, etc.), everything is peachy for a year, then Teliax gets sued for some reason or another, and goes bankrupt and closes its doors. That, obviously, leaves my clients without phone service.but what happens to their numbers? If the VoIP provider goes out of business, can I go to another VoIP provider or a ma bell and transfer the numbers to them even if Teliax (or whomever) is unreachable and off the map? Thanks in advance for any info! -Ross -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/attachments/20051229/7e847848/attachment.htm
-- Personal opinion alert -- Do not route everything to an ITSP. At minimum keep a main PSTN line with call forwarding or call forwarding on busy until you are 10000% confident that the service works, is reliable, stable, and will have some staying power. Kerry Garrison Director of Technical Services Tech Data Pros - Orange County's Mobile IT Service Provider (949) 502-7819 x200 - <mailto:kerryg@techdatapros.com> kerryg@techdatapros.com <http://www.techdatapros.com/> http://www.techdatapros.com _____ From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Ross C Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 5:47 PM To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Semi-OT: porting numbers away I'm looking to move one of my clients to an Asterisk system and a VoIP provider (Teliax, Voxee, ViaTalk, Voicepulse). My concern is porting my client's numbers to a VoIP provider. Let's say we get all their numbers ported to Teliax (or Voxee or viatalk, etc.), everything is peachy for a year, then Teliax gets sued for some reason or another, and goes bankrupt and closes its doors. That, obviously, leaves my clients without phone service.but what happens to their numbers? If the VoIP provider goes out of business, can I go to another VoIP provider or a ma bell and transfer the numbers to them even if Teliax (or whomever) is unreachable and off the map? Thanks in advance for any info! -Ross -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/attachments/20051229/12d2702e/attachment.htm
> > So use call forwarding from the Telco, forward it to a VoIP DID, if you lose > > the VoIP DID, change the forwarding to another number. > > > > I thought my local telco told me that if I were to do that, I would have > to pay them LD charges for each call that came in to that number. > > Or am I misunderstanding what you mean by forward here?Your pstn line will be charge the long distance charge "if" you forward your local calls to an out of area number.
trixter aka Bret McDanel
2005-Dec-30 14:58 UTC
[Asterisk-Users] Semi-OT: porting numbers away
On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 15:41 -0600, Rich Adamson wrote:> > > So use call forwarding from the Telco, forward it to a VoIP DID, if you lose > > > the VoIP DID, change the forwarding to another number. > > > > > > > I thought my local telco told me that if I were to do that, I would have > > to pay them LD charges for each call that came in to that number. > > > > Or am I misunderstanding what you mean by forward here? > > Your pstn line will be charge the long distance charge "if" you forward > your local calls to an out of area number.or have business service that pays per minute. I worked for an ISP almost a decade ago that had many residential lines with no services and call forwarding enabled (total cost less than $10/mo) to use to increase their dialup numbers. They forwarded to the main dialup number in the hunt group. Largely they were placed at customer sites (in exchange for discounted service - nondialup customers). We had 99 forwards enabled, and becuase they were residential lines local calling meant no additional cost. Not a very nice thing to do, but hey after 12 years in business that isp is still only one county large. Kinda tells you something about that ... -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 http://www.sacaug.org/ Sacramento Asterisk Users Group -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/attachments/20051230/827d4b9c/attachment.pgp
Hello All, This is in fact some of the best information I have been looking for regarding porting. An example is this, I have my primary local numbers on BRI. I also have a number of toll free's with a normal ld provider. What I am doing right now is pointing my toll-free's to a teliax number. I have been very happy with the service Teliax provides, although I wish they were not using cogent as I get about an 80ms ping from NY > Colorado. The thing here is, I am considering porting some numbers over to teliax(212 numbers, premium 800), not my primary's, but still numbers I wish to advertise(over 8k/year). Naturally after advertising I would always want to be certain I can maintain those numbers. If for any reason, teliax were to have issues (bankruptcy, etc), what would happen to these numbers that I may have originally ported? In the case of toll-free, would it be possible to port those numbers to another provider relatively easily? In the case of conventional numbers, would it be possible to port those numbers to another provider, or even back to the local provider? I do not know the legislation, but if a provider simply does not respond to a port request, does it get automatically approved after like 30 days, or simply nothing happens? The real question here is, if they were to have issues, how would there upstream provider react? Would they allow re-assignment of those numbers to another downstream provider, or would they just dump them into a pool and all of my numbers be lost? ( in my case level3 I believe) I currently ported my personal numbers to teliax, but that is not an issue if something were to happen. On the business side however, it is an issue. Naturally no provider will provide a disclaimer that says 'if we go under, you are protected', because it makes them sound flaky. But in the business voip market, this can be very important. Of course I trust the local CO will never go under while I am in business, but with any technology company, since they are not regulated in the same fashion, does anyone have an idea to what would possibly happen? Being down for a few days is not the end of the world, but losing a premium 800 number for example can be disastrous. Of course I know the best solution, keep the toll-free on a normal provider, but there are upsides to using teliax (especially now with cidname), and it doesn't make much sense to pay for the same service twice. The locals can be an important thing though. I think this is one of the issues that is effecting the transition of businesses to VOIP. I myself have usually suggested against VOIP as a primary in the business market because of these issues, and aimed more for a hybrid approach as well, even when connected via T1 or T3. Thr tough thing is, no company is going to reliably disclose whether they are profitable or not, and that information can be key. On a side note, I have had customers go from Verizon landline > cablevision > Verizon landline, apparently without too many problems. Also another off-topic question, does anyone know if it is possible to port a teliax/level3 number away from teliax/level3? Such as onto a cell or to another level3 customer? Regards, Greg -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of trixter aka Bret McDanel Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 4:59 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Semi-OT: porting numbers away On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 15:41 -0600, Rich Adamson wrote:> > > So use call forwarding from the Telco, forward it to a VoIP DID, > > > if you lose the VoIP DID, change the forwarding to another number. > > > > > > > I thought my local telco told me that if I were to do that, I would > > have to pay them LD charges for each call that came in to thatnumber.> > > > Or am I misunderstanding what you mean by forward here? > > Your pstn line will be charge the long distance charge "if" you > forward your local calls to an out of area number.or have business service that pays per minute. I worked for an ISP almost a decade ago that had many residential lines with no services and call forwarding enabled (total cost less than $10/mo) to use to increase their dialup numbers. They forwarded to the main dialup number in the hunt group. Largely they were placed at customer sites (in exchange for discounted service - nondialup customers). We had 99 forwards enabled, and becuase they were residential lines local calling meant no additional cost. Not a very nice thing to do, but hey after 12 years in business that isp is still only one county large. Kinda tells you something about that ... -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 http://www.sacaug.org/ Sacramento Asterisk Users Group