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Richard Malcolm-Smith wrote:> Do I need licenses to use the codec in New Zealand?Yes. -- Cheers, Matt Riddell _______________________________________________ http://www.sineapps.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News - html) http://freevoip.gedameurope.com (Free Asterisk Voip Community) http://www.sineapps.com/rssfeed.php (Daily Asterisk News - rss)
janvb@caselaboratories.com
2005-Nov-15 16:10 UTC
[Asterisk-Users] g729 status in New Zealand
Yes. The G.729.x source code (in C) can be downloaded for free from ITU-T as the spec actually are in C code. But, even if you use this raw, non-tuned version you will need to pay a license fee to ITU-T per channel. The same for G.723.x The version that Digium offer is optimized, meaning that they have done basic improvments on the c-code to be able to run more channels. This is however very basic stuff. Jan Richard Malcolm-Smith wrote:> Do I need licenses to use the codec in New Zealand? > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >--Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- > >Asterisk-Users mailing list >Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >
As far as I was aware a license was only required in contries that had software patents, I know that there arnt here so I am just seeking clarification if thats all there is to it. janvb@caselaboratories.com wrote:> Yes. The G.729.x source code (in C) can be downloaded for free from > ITU-T as the spec actually are in C code. But, even if you use this raw, > non-tuned version you will need to pay a license fee to ITU-T per channel. > > The same for G.723.x > > The version that Digium offer is optimized, meaning that they have done > basic improvments on the c-code to be able to run more channels. This is > however very basic stuff. > > Jan > > Richard Malcolm-Smith wrote: > >> Do I need licenses to use the codec in New Zealand? >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> --Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- >> >> Asterisk-Users mailing list >> Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com >> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >> To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >> > > _______________________________________________ > --Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- > > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > >-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3232 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Url : http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/attachments/20051115/3b7dda74/smime.bin
trixter aka Bret McDanel
2005-Nov-15 17:50 UTC
[Asterisk-Users] g729 status in New Zealand
On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 13:22 +1300, Richard Malcolm-Smith wrote:> As far as I was aware a license was only required in contries that had software > patents, I know that there arnt here so I am just seeking clarification if thats > all there is to it.This issue was beaten to death before, software patents are not the only issue, while it is true that this software is covered under a patent the application is written broad enough to say that its an algorithm or device not just software. Or so the people who misunderstood me kept yelling towards me. There are some countries where you can only patent a physical device that exists and then only that device. As the codec doesnt qualify in those countries specifically, the patent is not valid there. Those countries specifically forbid the patenting of mathematical algorithms, etc. This was the issue that many people misunderstood or refused to accept and tried to turn the discussion into whether or not one was deserved rather than is it enforcable in a specific location. Be warned you opened a can of worms by asking this question. In short I dont know if patents in new zealand cover nonexistant devices, theories, algorithms, etc. But you may want to broaden your search from just software patents to what types of patents are allowed and whether algorithms and other types are patentable in wherever anyone who reads this happens to reside. Regardless digium has no way of giving out the g.729 codec without a license so you will have to look elsewhere to get one for asterisk. There is a patch file to use the intel code. You have to go thruogh a long drawn out process to get the code from intel, registering, agreeing to the license terms blah blah blah. Once you get it its fairly straight forward to apply the patch. The hardest part is getting the code. The patch is released under the GPL but by doing that the patch authors violate the GPL so in effect there is no license for that software. You cant tie a gpl product to something that is licensed contrary to the gpl, that specifically is in their faq. If you know where to look there is another option out there that doesnt use either method, but I have doubts about how legal that one is, so I will not comment on that. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 http://www.sacaug.org/ Sacramento Asterisk Users Group -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/attachments/20051115/9366120e/attachment.pgp
trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote:> If you know where to look there is another option out there that doesnt > use either method, but I have doubts about how legal that one is, so I > will not comment on that.Can someone give me some pointers for this? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3232 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Url : http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/attachments/20051115/3f1098b6/smime.bin
trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote:> On Tue, 2005-11-15 at 23:27 -0600, Kevin P. Fleming wrote: > >>The ITU is not involved in licensing or patent indemnification; they are >>non-profit standards body. The G.729 patent holders have given Sipro the >>task of managing their patent portfolio licensing, so that is who you >>would need to contact. Sipro recently changed their licensing policies, >>and those changes made the barrier to entry substantially higher. You >>are welcome to talk to them, of course :-) > > > http://www.sipro.com/news.php > MONTREAL, CANADA, July 6, 2005. The G.729 Consortium today announced > that it has changed its licensing policy and will now offer licenses to > use the G.729 patented technology to end-product manufacturers only. > Qualifying end-products would typically include access devices, > audio/video conferencing equipment, call center equipment, IP phones, > IP/PBXs, media gateways, etc. > > makes it slightly harder ... not impossible but slightly harder.I think he was referring to the new pricing structure, which is significantly higher than $10 if you only require 1 channel. -- Cheers, Matt Riddell _______________________________________________ http://www.sineapps.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News - html) http://freevoip.gedameurope.com (Free Asterisk Voip Community) http://www.sineapps.com/rssfeed.php (Daily Asterisk News - rss)
trixter aka Bret McDanel
2005-Nov-15 23:41 UTC
[Asterisk-Users] g729 status in New Zealand
On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 19:32 +1300, Matt Riddell wrote:> > http://www.sipro.com/news.php > > MONTREAL, CANADA, July 6, 2005. The G.729 Consortium today announced > > that it has changed its licensing policy and will now offer licenses to > > use the G.729 patented technology to end-product manufacturers only. > > Qualifying end-products would typically include access devices, > > audio/video conferencing equipment, call center equipment, IP phones, > > IP/PBXs, media gateways, etc. > > > > makes it slightly harder ... not impossible but slightly harder. > > I think he was referring to the new pricing structure, which is significantly > higher than $10 if you only require 1 channel. >He was making a comment in reference to what I said. The blurb that I said included information on a specific project implementation of this, which the current licensing structure wont allow for, as such I legally cant license it unless I change my plans. Thus is makes it harder but not impossible. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 http://www.sacaug.org/ Sacramento Asterisk Users Group -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/attachments/20051116/3d99ce3b/attachment.pgp