Hi The latest new about the Open Source Asterisk PBX is now that mister Spencer himself has forbidden Allison to work with any other open source project than Asterisk. I don't know about the openness in such an action. This sounds more like the ways Microsoft and other large monopolists use to gain control over the market. Is this really what the so-called "open" asterisk-makers Digium should be doing? Is it only I, or is this just plain old monopolist arrogance which should not combine with GPL? Thanks for any input roy --- Below is a letter from Brian West to Allison about the subject --- On 14. nov. 2005, at 20.05, Brian West wrote:> > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Allison Smith <allison@theivrvoice.com> >> Date: November 14, 2005 1:04:23 PM CST >> To: Brian West <brian.west@mac.com> >> Subject: Re: Prompts >> Reply-To: Allison Smith <allison@theivrvoice.com> >> >> B: >> >> Just so we're clear: Mark left the decision up to me, and being an >> ethical person, I decided I can't work for both of you. (Imagine >> if I continued to work for you and never told Mark, and it got >> back to him -- bad craziness. And karma! Don't even get me started >> on that.) It kills me to turn work down, it pains me to not work >> for you anymore, as you're a hoot and we get along great. However, >> I have a long-standing relationship with Digium, they've been >> incredibly good to me; so to me it's a no-brainer. It wouldn't be >> a smart decision to keep both going. >> >> Sorry to leave you in a lurch! I'm sure you'll find some very >> capable voice talent to take over, and I'm sure you'll be >> successful at whatever you do. >> >> A. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Brian West >> To: Allison Smith >> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 11:31 AM >> Subject: Re: Prompts >> >> Allison, >> I'm greatly disappointed that you're going to let Mark and gang >> back you into a corner like this. This is the exact reason I'm >> not really associated with the project anymore. I was given an >> ultimatum that I didn't think was fair to ask of someone. I'll >> not go into details but now I'll have to scout a voice talent to >> re-record the many prompts we already have so they all match. >> This is why personal feelings must never cross business >> relationships. It's been good. :( >> >> Thanks, >> Brian West >> >> >> >> On Nov 14, 2005, at 12:13 PM, Allison Smith wrote: >> >>> B: >>> >>> Could you give me a call at 403.264.7182? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> A. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Brian West >>> To: allison@theivrvoice.com >>> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 9:10 AM >>> Subject: Prompts >>> >>> Here ya go love! >>> >>> General: >>> >>> If you know your parties extension please enter it now, Otherwise >>> For network abuse press one. >>> For sales press two. >>> For billing press three. >>> For technical support press four. >>> For all other inquiries press five. >>> >>> Please hold while I try that extension. >>> >>> Misc: >>> >>> Thank you for calling >>> Digiweb >>> Accentra >>> >>> You have reached the Network Abuse Department for >>> You have reached the Sales Department for >>> You have reached the Billing Department for >>> You have reached the Technical Support for >>> You have reached the general mailbox for >>> >>> Please leave a detailed description and contact information and >>> someone will return your call, Thank you. >>> >>> >>> >> >
On 11/14/05, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk <roy@karlsbakk.net> wrote:> Hi > > The latest new about the Open Source Asterisk PBX is now that mister > Spencer himself has forbidden Allison to work with any other open > source project than Asterisk. I don't know about the openness in such > an action. This sounds more like the ways Microsoft and other large > monopolists use to gain control over the market. > > Is this really what the so-called "open" asterisk-makers Digium > should be doing? Is it only I, or is this just plain old monopolist > arrogance which should not combine with GPL? > > Thanks for any input > > roy > --- > > Below is a letter from Brian West to Allison about the subject > --- > > > On 14. nov. 2005, at 20.05, Brian West wrote: > > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > >> From: Allison Smith <allison@theivrvoice.com> > >> Date: November 14, 2005 1:04:23 PM CST > >> To: Brian West <brian.west@mac.com> > >> Subject: Re: Prompts > >> Reply-To: Allison Smith <allison@theivrvoice.com> > >> > >> B: > >> > >> Just so we're clear: Mark left the decision up to me, and being an > >> ethical person, I decided I can't work for both of you. (Imagine > >> if I continued to work for you and never told Mark, and it got > >> back to him -- bad craziness. And karma! Don't even get me started > >> on that.) It kills me to turn work down, it pains me to not work > >> for you anymore, as you're a hoot and we get along great. However, > >> I have a long-standing relationship with Digium, they've been > >> incredibly good to me; so to me it's a no-brainer. It wouldn't be > >> a smart decision to keep both going. > >> > >> Sorry to leave you in a lurch! I'm sure you'll find some very > >> capable voice talent to take over, and I'm sure you'll be > >> successful at whatever you do. > >> > >> A. > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Brian West > >> To: Allison Smith > >> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 11:31 AM > >> Subject: Re: Prompts > >> > >> Allison, > >> I'm greatly disappointed that you're going to let Mark and gang > >> back you into a corner like this. This is the exact reason I'm > >> not really associated with the project anymore. I was given an > >> ultimatum that I didn't think was fair to ask of someone. I'll > >> not go into details but now I'll have to scout a voice talent to > >> re-record the many prompts we already have so they all match. > >> This is why personal feelings must never cross business > >> relationships. It's been good. :( > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Brian West > >> > >> > >> > >> On Nov 14, 2005, at 12:13 PM, Allison Smith wrote: > >> > >>> B: > >>> > >>> Could you give me a call at 403.264.7182? > >>> > >>> Thanks! > >>> > >>> A. > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: Brian West > >>> To: allison@theivrvoice.com > >>> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 9:10 AM > >>> Subject: Prompts > >>> > >>> Here ya go love! > >>> > >>> General: > >>> > >>> If you know your parties extension please enter it now, Otherwise > >>> For network abuse press one. > >>> For sales press two. > >>> For billing press three. > >>> For technical support press four. > >>> For all other inquiries press five. > >>> > >>> Please hold while I try that extension. > >>> > >>> Misc: > >>> > >>> Thank you for calling > >>> Digiweb > >>> Accentra > >>> > >>> You have reached the Network Abuse Department for > >>> You have reached the Sales Department for > >>> You have reached the Billing Department for > >>> You have reached the Technical Support for > >>> You have reached the general mailbox for > >>> > >>> Please leave a detailed description and contact information and > >>> someone will return your call, Thank you. > >>> > >>> > >>>What part of "Mark left the decision up to me" did you not grasp from the original thread? Stop spreading FUD. -- Bird's The Word Technologies, Inc. http://www.btwtech.com/
> > What part of "Mark left the decision up to me" did you not grasp from > the original thread? Stop spreading FUD.Brian was very precise in telling where Allison had got her orders roy
Did you read her email? It says she made the decison herself after Mark told her that it was up to her. If she has a problem with the ethics then who are you to question her decision? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk" <roy@karlsbakk.net> To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion" <asterisk-users@lists.digium.com> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 6:37 PM Subject: [Asterisk-Users] "open" asterisk?> Hi > > The latest new about the Open Source Asterisk PBX is now that mister > Spencer himself has forbidden Allison to work with any other open > source project than Asterisk. I don't know about the openness in such > an action. This sounds more like the ways Microsoft and other large > monopolists use to gain control over the market. > > Is this really what the so-called "open" asterisk-makers Digium > should be doing? Is it only I, or is this just plain old monopolist > arrogance which should not combine with GPL? > > Thanks for any input > > roy > --- > > Below is a letter from Brian West to Allison about the subject > --- > > > On 14. nov. 2005, at 20.05, Brian West wrote: > > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > >> From: Allison Smith <allison@theivrvoice.com> > >> Date: November 14, 2005 1:04:23 PM CST > >> To: Brian West <brian.west@mac.com> > >> Subject: Re: Prompts > >> Reply-To: Allison Smith <allison@theivrvoice.com> > >> > >> B: > >> > >> Just so we're clear: Mark left the decision up to me, and being an > >> ethical person, I decided I can't work for both of you. (Imagine > >> if I continued to work for you and never told Mark, and it got > >> back to him -- bad craziness. And karma! Don't even get me started > >> on that.) It kills me to turn work down, it pains me to not work > >> for you anymore, as you're a hoot and we get along great. However, > >> I have a long-standing relationship with Digium, they've been > >> incredibly good to me; so to me it's a no-brainer. It wouldn't be > >> a smart decision to keep both going. > >> > >> Sorry to leave you in a lurch! I'm sure you'll find some very > >> capable voice talent to take over, and I'm sure you'll be > >> successful at whatever you do. > >> > >> A. > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Brian West > >> To: Allison Smith > >> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 11:31 AM > >> Subject: Re: Prompts > >> > >> Allison, > >> I'm greatly disappointed that you're going to let Mark and gang > >> back you into a corner like this. This is the exact reason I'm > >> not really associated with the project anymore. I was given an > >> ultimatum that I didn't think was fair to ask of someone. I'll > >> not go into details but now I'll have to scout a voice talent to > >> re-record the many prompts we already have so they all match. > >> This is why personal feelings must never cross business > >> relationships. It's been good. :( > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Brian West > >> > >> > >> > >> On Nov 14, 2005, at 12:13 PM, Allison Smith wrote: > >> > >>> B: > >>> > >>> Could you give me a call at 403.264.7182? > >>> > >>> Thanks! > >>> > >>> A. > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: Brian West > >>> To: allison@theivrvoice.com > >>> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 9:10 AM > >>> Subject: Prompts > >>> > >>> Here ya go love! > >>> > >>> General: > >>> > >>> If you know your parties extension please enter it now, Otherwise > >>> For network abuse press one. > >>> For sales press two. > >>> For billing press three. > >>> For technical support press four. > >>> For all other inquiries press five. > >>> > >>> Please hold while I try that extension. > >>> > >>> Misc: > >>> > >>> Thank you for calling > >>> Digiweb > >>> Accentra > >>> > >>> You have reached the Network Abuse Department for > >>> You have reached the Sales Department for > >>> You have reached the Billing Department for > >>> You have reached the Technical Support for > >>> You have reached the general mailbox for > >>> > >>> Please leave a detailed description and contact information and > >>> someone will return your call, Thank you. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > --Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- > > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.0/167 - Release Date: 11/11/2005 > >
>Is this really what the so-called "open" asterisk-makers Digium >should be doing? Is it only I, or is this just plain old monopolist >arrogance which should not combine with GPL?One thing that opensource advocates miss a lot of times is that while it's fine and dandy to take the high road with the lofty goals of RMS, in the meanwhile, the bills need to get paid and the product needs to be taken seriously by businesses other than other open-source fanatics. Sometimes, that involves exclusivity with a particular branch of the code, as Digium has done with ABE, or exclusivity with certain elements that make the product more attractive to prospective buyers, such as Allison-sounds. Imagine if someone (say, the OpenPBX guys) took all of their custom Allison-sounds (for example) and released them into the wild, if some form of copyright agreement could be brokered with her, that was better than those bundled with, say, ABE. Who, then, would buy ABE if they could just download these sounds, and get the same source from CVS? You have a better ABE than ABE, for free, and Digium is denied profit on their hard work. Things like this undermine the very reason to buy a product like ABE in the first place, and follow the progression: People don't buy ABE, don't buy Digium cards, etc etc and then one day, the doors are locked at Digium. The Asterisk code base will be forked a zillion times as everyone tries to "save" Asterisk, and in the end, it's a mess, and Cisco/Nortel/Avaya/Mitel/whomever wins. Open source / GPL gets a black eye because it would be a VERY public failure. You could argue that OpenPBX would emerge, in this case, as the natural successor, but the chances of them regaining the ground Digium lost are slim to none. Look at Novell: We run OpenXchange here, rather than the Novell version. There is no reason to buy the Novell version: the code base is exactly the same. It's my ass if the thing breaks regardless of which version we run, so why pay for it? The only difference between the two versions is the GUI, Novell's is prettier. But, you can download the GUI elements and integrate them yourself, which I have done, so Novell is denied my money because I downloaded and integrated a clone of OpenXchange that is, for all intents and purposes, the same. And Novell wonders why they have to lay off people. This is the failing of the open-source business model: You have to offer something to differentiate your product from competitors, and, (this is essential) you cannot compete with yourself. Digium, AFAIC, is just trying to not compete with itself. Because open source companies are usually visionaries and really don't have a clue about the realities of paying the bills, they fail. Badly. The deck is stacked against open source companies, because to compete with closed source, they have to essentially give the product away. They loose credibility in the business world by giving the product away (ask my boss: it took me TWO YEARS of explaining for him to understand why Linux is free as in cost AND free/free) . Then, in order to gain some credibility and maybe make some bucks to pay everyone, they dual-license or go into exclusivity agreements and everyone in the community freaks out about how they are baby-eating Microsoft lovers and they are turning their backs on the community and fork the project partially out of spite. They can't win. Guys: They AREN'T TURNING YOUR BACKS ON YOU. They are just trying to make a few bucks to pay the bills, allright? Even the GPL 1.0.9 codebase has enough value in it to be worth tens of thousands of dollars per copy in the real world. You got that for nothing. Cut them some slack. As to the issue at hand, I, myself, have retained separate voice talent to re-record every Asterisk prompt, and Allison-sounds AND my own custom stuff. It sounds great, I own it, and it only cost me a grand. I did that 5 times for 5 separate companies. 5 grand total. That, my friends, is 1/3 the price of the full IVR solution from Mitel for a single instance, and Mitel's solution isn't even half as good as my own. Asterisk, the framework, made that possible. *THAT* is the real value. EVEN WHEN YOU PAY, ASTERISK IS IMO TWICE AS GOOD AS ANYONE ELSE OUT THERE. Why doesn't OpenPBX just cough up a grand to make their own sounds? Some may argue that Mark has a personal beef with the OpenPBX guys and he may be doing things that short-circuit competing efforts. He may well be. So what? We live in the real world, which is not some fantasy happy-happy place where everyone gets along 100%. This is how the dreaded B-word gets done. I'm going to zip up the flamesuit right now.
This was just wrong, and an insult to Allison Smith IMO. What did you accomplish by all of this? Did you really think people would insinuate the same things you did and flock to your cause? If you have an ounce of decency you should apologize to those involved. Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/attachments/20051114/81b46fbb/attachment.htm
There should be other "voices" worth while... Give other people the chance.... The market is growing... Be open :) Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote:> Hi > > The latest new about the Open Source Asterisk PBX is now that mister > Spencer himself has forbidden Allison to work with any other open > source project than Asterisk. I don't know about the openness in such > an action. This sounds more like the ways Microsoft and other large > monopolists use to gain control over the market. > > Is this really what the so-called "open" asterisk-makers Digium should > be doing? Is it only I, or is this just plain old monopolist arrogance > which should not combine with GPL? > > Thanks for any input > > roy > --- > > Below is a letter from Brian West to Allison about the subject > --- > > > On 14. nov. 2005, at 20.05, Brian West wrote: > >> >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> From: Allison Smith <allison@theivrvoice.com> >>> Date: November 14, 2005 1:04:23 PM CST >>> To: Brian West <brian.west@mac.com> >>> Subject: Re: Prompts >>> Reply-To: Allison Smith <allison@theivrvoice.com> >>> >>> B: >>> >>> Just so we're clear: Mark left the decision up to me, and being an >>> ethical person, I decided I can't work for both of you. (Imagine if >>> I continued to work for you and never told Mark, and it got back to >>> him -- bad craziness. And karma! Don't even get me started on that.) >>> It kills me to turn work down, it pains me to not work for you >>> anymore, as you're a hoot and we get along great. However, I have a >>> long-standing relationship with Digium, they've been incredibly good >>> to me; so to me it's a no-brainer. It wouldn't be a smart decision >>> to keep both going. >>> >>> Sorry to leave you in a lurch! I'm sure you'll find some very >>> capable voice talent to take over, and I'm sure you'll be successful >>> at whatever you do. >>> >>> A. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Brian West >>> To: Allison Smith >>> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 11:31 AM >>> Subject: Re: Prompts >>> >>> Allison, >>> I'm greatly disappointed that you're going to let Mark and gang back >>> you into a corner like this. This is the exact reason I'm not >>> really associated with the project anymore. I was given an >>> ultimatum that I didn't think was fair to ask of someone. I'll not >>> go into details but now I'll have to scout a voice talent to >>> re-record the many prompts we already have so they all match. This >>> is why personal feelings must never cross business relationships. >>> It's been good. :( >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Brian West >>> >>> >>> >>> On Nov 14, 2005, at 12:13 PM, Allison Smith wrote: >>> >>>> B: >>>> >>>> Could you give me a call at 403.264.7182? >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> A. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Brian West >>>> To: allison@theivrvoice.com >>>> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 9:10 AM >>>> Subject: Prompts >>>> >>>> Here ya go love! >>>> >>>> General: >>>> >>>> If you know your parties extension please enter it now, Otherwise >>>> For network abuse press one. >>>> For sales press two. >>>> For billing press three. >>>> For technical support press four. >>>> For all other inquiries press five. >>>> >>>> Please hold while I try that extension. >>>> >>>> Misc: >>>> >>>> Thank you for calling >>>> Digiweb >>>> Accentra >>>> >>>> You have reached the Network Abuse Department for >>>> You have reached the Sales Department for >>>> You have reached the Billing Department for >>>> You have reached the Technical Support for >>>> You have reached the general mailbox for >>>> >>>> Please leave a detailed description and contact information and >>>> someone will return your call, Thank you. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > --Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- > > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >
Waaaaaaaaaaaa Differentiate or die. -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 6:38 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: [Asterisk-Users] "open" asterisk? Hi The latest new about the Open Source Asterisk PBX is now that mister Spencer himself has forbidden Allison to work with any other open source project than Asterisk. I don't know about the openness in such an action. This sounds more like the ways Microsoft and other large monopolists use to gain control over the market. Is this really what the so-called "open" asterisk-makers Digium should be doing? Is it only I, or is this just plain old monopolist arrogance which should not combine with GPL? Thanks for any input roy --- Below is a letter from Brian West to Allison about the subject --- On 14. nov. 2005, at 20.05, Brian West wrote:> > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Allison Smith <allison@theivrvoice.com> >> Date: November 14, 2005 1:04:23 PM CST >> To: Brian West <brian.west@mac.com> >> Subject: Re: Prompts >> Reply-To: Allison Smith <allison@theivrvoice.com> >> >> B: >> >> Just so we're clear: Mark left the decision up to me, and being an >> ethical person, I decided I can't work for both of you. (Imagine >> if I continued to work for you and never told Mark, and it got >> back to him -- bad craziness. And karma! Don't even get me started >> on that.) It kills me to turn work down, it pains me to not work >> for you anymore, as you're a hoot and we get along great. However, >> I have a long-standing relationship with Digium, they've been >> incredibly good to me; so to me it's a no-brainer. It wouldn't be >> a smart decision to keep both going. >> >> Sorry to leave you in a lurch! I'm sure you'll find some very >> capable voice talent to take over, and I'm sure you'll be >> successful at whatever you do. >> >> A. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Brian West >> To: Allison Smith >> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 11:31 AM >> Subject: Re: Prompts >> >> Allison, >> I'm greatly disappointed that you're going to let Mark and gang >> back you into a corner like this. This is the exact reason I'm >> not really associated with the project anymore. I was given an >> ultimatum that I didn't think was fair to ask of someone. I'll >> not go into details but now I'll have to scout a voice talent to >> re-record the many prompts we already have so they all match. >> This is why personal feelings must never cross business >> relationships. It's been good. :( >> >> Thanks, >> Brian West >> >> >> >> On Nov 14, 2005, at 12:13 PM, Allison Smith wrote: >> >>> B: >>> >>> Could you give me a call at 403.264.7182? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> A. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Brian West >>> To: allison@theivrvoice.com >>> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 9:10 AM >>> Subject: Prompts >>> >>> Here ya go love! >>> >>> General: >>> >>> If you know your parties extension please enter it now, Otherwise >>> For network abuse press one. >>> For sales press two. >>> For billing press three. >>> For technical support press four. >>> For all other inquiries press five. >>> >>> Please hold while I try that extension. >>> >>> Misc: >>> >>> Thank you for calling >>> Digiweb >>> Accentra >>> >>> You have reached the Network Abuse Department for >>> You have reached the Sales Department for >>> You have reached the Billing Department for >>> You have reached the Technical Support for >>> You have reached the general mailbox for >>> >>> Please leave a detailed description and contact information and >>> someone will return your call, Thank you. >>> >>> >>> >> >_______________________________________________ --Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Is it just me, or did Allison use the words, "Just so we're clear, Mark left the decision up to me"? It sounds very much to me like Allison made her own decision. It also sounds to me like Brian is the one who made the leap from "Mark left the decision up to me" to ".you're going to let Mark and gang back you into a corner." Since we are not privy to all the details of the conversations between Allison and Mark and also between Allison and Brian, I think we can all respect Allison's decision, even if it does inconvenience Brian's project. Perhaps this thread is better suited for a different forum. I'm all for having a debate about Digium vs. OpenPBX.org and discussing the relevant issues. If anyone knows a forum where these posts could go please let us know. In the meantime, it would be best if this forum was used solely for Asterisk user questions. -MC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/attachments/20051114/871aca2f/attachment.htm
>The open-source business model fails when the business revenue is >focused upon monetary sales of the (otherwise free) software. The >success in open-source business models comes when the business revenue >is focused upon support and other products and services that utilize the >software.Do you feel that ABE, or RHEL, or SUSE Pro is a mistake? Not trying to bait you, I'm interested in your opinion since you gave me such a great counterpoint. The statement that I made about my decision to use OpenXchange GPL vs SUSE OpenXchange actually fits your counterpoint perfectly.
Haven't we all lost sight of something here? Allison is a person, not an object. If she wants to do work for one person rather than the other, it is up to her. Code is a different story sure, but this is a human being you are talking about. This is a free enterprise, if you want to have a project of your own, get your own people. Allison's voice may be popular within the asterisk community, but personally I would rather have a voice like James Earl Jones' as Verizon has, or Majel Barrett-Rodenberry. Of course, they are top names and would not do such things unless serious money were involved. A person does what is in their best interest, and there is nothing wrong with that. I am not defending one person or another, but people need to be realistic here. I know not what the contractual arrangements are, but agree that open source has nothing to do with a person's voice, personality, or any other aspect of a person. Open source is about sharing knowledge. As for the people who would suspect digium is strong-arming anyone, hell, if it weren't for them you wouldn't have asterisk would you? And therefore probably no openpbx either, and we all would be spending thousands to do what asterisk can do for free. Regards, Greg -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Jon Pounder Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 8:49 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] "open" asterisk? Guys, this arguing and choosing sides is starting to get a little like American Hot Rod. If I wanted to listen to that nonsense I'd just tune it in. Code contribution is one thing, but by now I would think this bridge would have been crossed with voice files. Sure Allison is probably cleaning up doing a little bit here and there for anyone who needs something small added to a stock setup, BUT, is this really practical for a business ? There should be simple application that can be used to rerecord and substitute all current voice files in a system. There are plenty of ways a catalog could be kept of files and the exact contents of them, including right in the files themselves. mpeg, and wav files both provide a means for storing other information right in with the audio, so why not use this ? Then a simple manager application could be used to find all the files and generate a script to be used to recreate them, a few auditioning and approval menu functions and then the ability to replace the existing set with the new set all at once would make a pretty complete and stand alone application. No matter which telephony project is involved the voice content should not hinge so directly on one person and whatever their allegences or other problems might be. _______________________________________________ --Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Heh...who really cares about this topic? I have a mailbox full of crap about who is gonna make recordings where... I made my own...I don't use the ones with asterisk anyway.... And I am a heck of a lot more concerned about things that truely relate to asterisk functionality...Voice prompts don't make asterisk work. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" <digium-list@9ux.com> To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion" <asterisk-users@lists.digium.com> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] "open" asterisk?> gw@adcomcorp.com wrote: > >>Haven't we all lost sight of something here?Allison is a person, not>>an object. If she wants to do work for one personrather than the>>other, it is up to her. Code is a different storysure, but this is a>>human being you are talking about. >> >> > She is in the same class as people who do radio andtv commercials. She> is not an object but more like a valuable commodity.She has every right> to get the best deal for herself and her talent. Ifshe was a musician,> she would contract with only one recording label ata time. Whatever she> has done is her business and it sounds to me likeher ethics are very> good because she honors informal verbal contracts. > > _______________________________________________ > --Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com--> > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users> To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users>__________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Roy man, you're not doing yourself or affiliates any favours. I was under the impression that the fire was starting to subside... Why throw petrol on it? -- Cheers, Matt Riddell _______________________________________________ http://www.sineapps.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News - html) http://freevoip.gedameurope.com (Free Asterisk Voip Community) http://www.sineapps.com/rssfeed.php (Daily Asterisk News - rss)
> There should be other "voices" worth while... > > Give other people the chance.... > > The market is growing... > > Be open :)I'd _love_ a different voice for the default distribution. To my (European) ears Allison is practically incomprehensible. -- Andreas Sikkema BBned NV Software Engineer Planeetbaan 4 +31 (0)23 7074342 2132 HZ Hoofddorp
No...I don't...because if you want to defend someone you do it somewhere other then this type of list... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" <digium-list@9ux.com> To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion" <asterisk-users@lists.digium.com> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] "open" asterisk?> Oh, you don't think it's okay for a few of us to saythings in favor of> someone when she is slandered? > > If you think it's crap why is your mailbox full ofit? Just delete it> and stop whining. > > don vanfossen wrote: > >>Heh...who really cares about this topic? >>I have a mailbox full of crap about who is gonnamake>>recordings where... >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > --Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com--> > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users> To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users>__________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Millions of dollars in hardware sales? I admit I don't know what there sales level is, but I doubt that it's 1 mil at this stage in the game. And, if it were, that has nothing to do with profit. You can make 1 mil in sales in a year but still walk away with a net loss. Without the community where would digium be? Don't know, probably doing the same but in a proprietary format, giving people no choice but to shell out the big bucks. I for one am happy they started up the project, and if they did in turn make Asterisk proprietary, I would probably shell out the cash since it offers what no other pbx can offer. Greg -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Aidan Van Dyk Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 8:51 AM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: [Asterisk-Users] RE: "open" asterisk? gw@adcomcorp.com wrote:> As for the people who would suspect digium is strong-arming anyone, > hell, if it weren't for them you wouldn't have asterisk would you? > And therefore probably no openpbx either, and we all would be spending> thousands to do what asterisk can do for free.And if it weren't for the community of indentured slaves and testers, where would Digium be, with no users, contributors, or bug-reporters? Never mind the no millions of dollars of hardware sales. It *should* be a symbiotic relationship. _______________________________________________ --Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
I wouldn't believe 10mil/yr. Maybe if they had other non-asterisk products, but that just does not seem reasonable if you look at asterisk at this stage. Besides, are they a public company? Are they required to report to the SEC? That makes a big difference. I mean realistically, a 900 dollar software product or less than 10k hardware product needs a lot of sales to hit around 10mil. And the tech support would have enourmous overhead. But if digium is also doing custom ivr's and such, you can easily do a few million there, however you have to have well over 100 employees. Oh unrelated, I have talked to people who tend to hype up their company. I feel it is bad business, but have heard people saying 'yes I will hit 5 million this year, and have no loss'. Later, I have seen them go under. Greg -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of calvis Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 10:27 PM To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] RE: "open" asterisk? Maybe this will open your eyes :) This article says Digium has sales of 10 million per year. http://news.com.com/Is+the+telephone+industry+ready+for+open+source/2008 -108 2_3-5737703.html -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of gw@adcomcorp.com Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 7:04 PM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] RE: "open" asterisk? Millions of dollars in hardware sales? I admit I don't know what there sales level is, but I doubt that it's 1 mil at this stage in the game. And, if it were, that has nothing to do with profit. You can make 1 mil in sales in a year but still walk away with a net loss. Without the community where would digium be? Don't know, probably doing the same but in a proprietary format, giving people no choice but to shell out the big bucks. I for one am happy they started up the project, and if they did in turn make Asterisk proprietary, I would probably shell out the cash since it offers what no other pbx can offer. Greg -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Aidan Van Dyk Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 8:51 AM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: [Asterisk-Users] RE: "open" asterisk? gw@adcomcorp.com wrote:> As for the people who would suspect digium is strong-arming anyone, > hell, if it weren't for them you wouldn't have asterisk would you? > And therefore probably no openpbx either, and we all would be spending> thousands to do what asterisk can do for free.And if it weren't for the community of indentured slaves and testers, where would Digium be, with no users, contributors, or bug-reporters? Never mind the no millions of dollars of hardware sales. It *should* be a symbiotic relationship. _______________________________________________ --Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users _______________________________________________ --Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users _______________________________________________ --Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
And development costs? To develop a card is not cheap, unless you are in China :) -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of janvb@caselaboratories.com Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 3:42 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] RE: "open" asterisk? 10 Million is ca 10,000 boards/licenses if you assume 1000 USD in average. I know the Digium boards are some of the cheapest around, but the actual production cost should be below 150 USD for a 4xE1/T1 of this type, meaning that they still should have very decent margins. jan gw@adcomcorp.com wrote:>I wouldn't believe 10mil/yr. Maybe if they had other non-asterisk >products, but that just does not seem reasonable if you look at >asterisk at this stage. Besides, are they a public company? Are they >required to report to the SEC? That makes a big difference. I mean >realistically, a 900 dollar software product or less than 10k hardware >product needs a lot of sales to hit around 10mil. And the tech support>would have enourmous overhead. > >But if digium is also doing custom ivr's and such, you can easily do a >few million there, however you have to have well over 100 employees. > >Oh unrelated, I have talked to people who tend to hype up theircompany.>I feel it is bad business, but have heard people saying 'yes I will hit >5 million this year, and have no loss'. Later, I have seen them go >under. > >Greg > > >-----Original Message----- >From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com >[mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of calvis >Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 10:27 PM >To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' >Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] RE: "open" asterisk? > >Maybe this will open your eyes :) > >This article says Digium has sales of 10 million per year. > > >http://news.com.com/Is+the+telephone+industry+ready+for+open+source/200 >8 >-108 >2_3-5737703.html > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com >[mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of >gw@adcomcorp.com >Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 7:04 PM >To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com >Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] RE: "open" asterisk? > >Millions of dollars in hardware sales? I admit I don't know what there>sales level is, but I doubt that it's 1 mil at this stage in the game. >And, if it were, that has nothing to do with profit. You can make 1 >mil in sales in a year but still walk away with a net loss. > >Without the community where would digium be? Don't know, probably doing>the same but in a proprietary format, giving people no choice but to >shell out the big bucks. > >I for one am happy they started up the project, and if they did in turn>make Asterisk proprietary, I would probably shell out the cash since it>offers what no other pbx can offer. > >Greg > >-----Original Message----- >From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com >[mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Aidan Van>Dyk >Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 8:51 AM >To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com >Subject: [Asterisk-Users] RE: "open" asterisk? > >gw@adcomcorp.com wrote: > > > >>As for the people who would suspect digium is strong-arming anyone, >>hell, if it weren't for them you wouldn't have asterisk would you? >>And therefore probably no openpbx either, and we all would be spending >> >> > > > >>thousands to do what asterisk can do for free. >> >> > >And if it weren't for the community of indentured slaves and testers, >where would Digium be, with no users, contributors, or bug-reporters? >Never mind the no millions of dollars of hardware sales. It *should* >be a symbiotic relationship. > > > >_______________________________________________ >--Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- > >Asterisk-Users mailing list >Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >_______________________________________________ >--Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- > >Asterisk-Users mailing list >Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > > >_______________________________________________ >--Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- > >Asterisk-Users mailing list >Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >_______________________________________________ >--Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- > >Asterisk-Users mailing list >Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > > > >_______________________________________________ --Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users