To address the issue about the Firefox browser, I develop [if you want to call it that, lol] the sites on Opera so it should work fine in Firefox. Nothing fancy at all just HTML 4.0 forms, etc. The other poster hit the nail on the head, it was out of DIDs. I just loaded another 200 random dids in so we'll see how long those last. I'm going to add code to confirm the email addresses that people signed up for to avoid "DID hogging" and also going to reclaim DIDs that go totally unused for more than probably a 30 day period to keep DIDs from going stale and unused. And about the free outgoing, I don't want people to jump through hoops at all. That's not what this was supposed to be about. I don't want people to have to use something like Paypal either, that's irritating and a lot of people used the service from out of the country [like some US Marines calling home from Iraq] that couldn't use paypal anyway. I do like the Web of Trust idea. Maybe I'll do it google style and give out some invites to people [say 5] and then those 5 people will get a couple invites, and so on. Each invite would point back to the person who gave it so if I trust Bob and he trusts Sam who trusts Sue but Sue turns out to be an abuser, I can see that Sam give it to Sue and revoke Sue's account and make her "untrustworthy" to the system [blacklisted]. If Sam invites several people that all end up black listing, than Sam's ability to get invites will get removed [but he would not get blacklisted since he is not abusing, just passing out invites to abusers]. This would have to all be done by machine to scale ... not sure I have the time to put the code together but if it worked it might be useful for other free services out there. What do you guys think? yours, matthew
works for me. On 10/18/05, Matthew Simpson <matthew@txlink.net> wrote:> > To address the issue about the Firefox browser, I develop [if you want > to call it that, lol] the sites on Opera so it should work fine in > Firefox. Nothing fancy at all just HTML 4.0 forms, etc. The other > poster hit the nail on the head, it was out of DIDs. I just loaded > another 200 random dids in so we'll see how long those last. > > I'm going to add code to confirm the email addresses that people signed > up for to avoid "DID hogging" and also going to reclaim DIDs that go > totally unused for more than probably a 30 day period to keep DIDs from > going stale and unused. > > And about the free outgoing, I don't want people to jump through hoops > at all. That's not what this was supposed to be about. I don't want > people to have to use something like Paypal either, that's irritating > and a lot of people used the service from out of the country [like some > US Marines calling home from Iraq] that couldn't use paypal anyway. > > I do like the Web of Trust idea. Maybe I'll do it google style and give > out some invites to people [say 5] and then those 5 people will get a > couple invites, and so on. Each invite would point back to the person > who gave it so if I trust Bob and he trusts Sam who trusts Sue but Sue > turns out to be an abuser, I can see that Sam give it to Sue and revoke > Sue's account and make her "untrustworthy" to the system [blacklisted]. > If Sam invites several people that all end up black listing, than > Sam's ability to get invites will get removed [but he would not get > blacklisted since he is not abusing, just passing out invites to > abusers]. This would have to all be done by machine to scale ... not > sure I have the time to put the code together but if it worked it might > be useful for other free services out there. > > What do you guys think? > > yours, > matthew > _______________________________________________ > --Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com <http://Easynews.com>-- > > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >-- Tom Vile Baldwin Technology Solutions, Inc Consulting - Web Design - VoIP Telephony www.baldwintechsolutions.com <http://www.baldwintechsolutions.com> Phone: 518-631-2855 x205 Phone: 845-652-4578 x205 Phone: 978-203-3848 x205 Fax: 518-631-2856 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/attachments/20051018/c86742e7/attachment.htm
On 10/18/05, Matthew Simpson <matthew@txlink.net> wrote:> > To address the issue about the Firefox browser, I develop [if you want > to call it that, lol] the sites on Opera so it should work fine in > Firefox. Nothing fancy at all just HTML 4.0 forms, etc. The other > poster hit the nail on the head, it was out of DIDs. I just loaded > another 200 random dids in so we'll see how long those last. > > I'm going to add code to confirm the email addresses that people signed > up for to avoid "DID hogging" and also going to reclaim DIDs that go > totally unused for more than probably a 30 day period to keep DIDs from > going stale and unused. > > And about the free outgoing, I don't want people to jump through hoops > at all. That's not what this was supposed to be about. I don't want > people to have to use something like Paypal either, that's irritating > and a lot of people used the service from out of the country [like some > US Marines calling home from Iraq] that couldn't use paypal anyway. > > I do like the Web of Trust idea. Maybe I'll do it google style and give > out some invites to people [say 5] and then those 5 people will get a > couple invites, and so on. Each invite would point back to the person > who gave it so if I trust Bob and he trusts Sam who trusts Sue but Sue > turns out to be an abuser, I can see that Sam give it to Sue and revoke > Sue's account and make her "untrustworthy" to the system [blacklisted]. > If Sam invites several people that all end up black listing, than > Sam's ability to get invites will get removed [but he would not get > blacklisted since he is not abusing, just passing out invites to > abusers]. This would have to all be done by machine to scale ... not > sure I have the time to put the code together but if it worked it might > be useful for other free services out there. > > What do you guys think? > > yours, > matthewI like it a lot. I went to wikipedia and read up on 'web of trust', and 'reputation'. Very interesting reading. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/attachments/20051018/6f6272e4/attachment.htm
trixter aka Bret McDanel
2005-Oct-18 20:20 UTC
[Asterisk-Users] more dids added to goiax.com
On Tue, 2005-10-18 at 20:02 -0700, Matthew Simpson wrote:> To address the issue about the Firefox browser, I develop [if you want > to call it that, lol] the sites on Opera so it should work fine in > Firefox. Nothing fancy at all just HTML 4.0 forms, etc. The other > poster hit the nail on the head, it was out of DIDs. I just loaded > another 200 random dids in so we'll see how long those last. >firefox worked fine for me, I got a did. So I imagine that they are all gone.> I do like the Web of Trust idea. Maybe I'll do it google style and give > out some invites to people [say 5] and then those 5 people will get a > [snip] > What do you guys think? >I think that may work, as long as people know they can be revoked for using and lose their invite ability if they give it to people who abuse. Expect to see a slower growth in user base, claims made that you are doing 'degrees of seperation' for marketing purposes (everyone exptects money to be made in traditional ways) and possibly invites sold on ebay for ebay feedback er to help people out yeah that is it :P -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/attachments/20051018/4d93835f/attachment.pgp
Matthew Simpson wrote:> To address the issue about the Firefox browser, I develop [if you want > to call it that, lol] the sites on Opera so it should work fine in > Firefox. Nothing fancy at all just HTML 4.0 forms, etc. The other > poster hit the nail on the head, it was out of DIDs. I just loaded > another 200 random dids in so we'll see how long those last. > > I'm going to add code to confirm the email addresses that people > signed up for to avoid "DID hogging" and also going to reclaim DIDs > that go totally unused for more than probably a 30 day period to keep > DIDs from going stale and unused. > > And about the free outgoing, I don't want people to jump through hoops > at all. That's not what this was supposed to be about. I don't want > people to have to use something like Paypal either, that's irritating > and a lot of people used the service from out of the country [like > some US Marines calling home from Iraq] that couldn't use paypal anyway. > > I do like the Web of Trust idea. Maybe I'll do it google style and > give out some invites to people [say 5] and then those 5 people will > get a couple invites, and so on. Each invite would point back to the > person who gave it so if I trust Bob and he trusts Sam who trusts Sue > but Sue turns out to be an abuser, I can see that Sam give it to Sue > and revoke Sue's account and make her "untrustworthy" to the system > [blacklisted]. If Sam invites several people that all end up black > listing, than Sam's ability to get invites will get removed [but he > would not get blacklisted since he is not abusing, just passing out > invites to abusers]. This would have to all be done by machine to > scale ... not sure I have the time to put the code together but if it > worked it might be useful for other free services out there. > > What do you guys think? > > yours, > matthew > _______________________________________________I made two attempts this morning to send some comments off list, and both got returned due to some sort of spam filter, so would hope that any future controls will not suffer from that inability to communicate. Those of us who have signed up early, and not abused your generosity perhaps ought to be on the top of the invite list? Can GOIAX be configured to show the assigned DID and registered name, rather than the present 202-556-0000 that shows up when outbound calls could be made? A limit on number of calls per minute,hour,day,week or month might be a place to start Low DID usage and reassignment might discourage use. If one gives out a DID and it is then moved xx days later for low usage, then who will even publish it? Perhaps expand the registration process to include name, address and another phone number? If your business plan is to evolve into a pay service of some sort, you will want that information anyway Don't make everyones life too complicated simply to discourage a ( hopefully ) small number of abusers. The service worked great, though call setup time did increase the last several days, probably due to the rising abuse John Novack
On Oct 18, 2005, at 11:02 PM, Matthew Simpson wrote:> > I do like the Web of Trust idea. Maybe I'll do it google style and > give out some invites to people [say 5] and then those 5 people > will get a couple invites, and so on. Each invite would point back > to the person who gave it so if I trust Bob and he trusts Sam who > trusts Sue but Sue turns out to be an abuser, I can see that Sam > give it to Sue and revoke Sue's account and make her > "untrustworthy" to the system [blacklisted]. If Sam invites > several people that all end up black listing, than Sam's ability to > get invites will get removed [but he would not get blacklisted > since he is not abusing, just passing out invites to abusers]. > This would have to all be done by machine to scale ... not sure I > have the time to put the code together but if it worked it might be > useful for other free services out there. > > What do you guys think?I hadn't thought of the invite scenario, but that would probably much simpler to implement that a full blown key-signing/certificate paradigm. It makes more sense in this application, too, I think. Of course, I don't really know anyone in the * community yet, so please remember that it was me who first suggested a WoT model. ;-) lyd
Can anybody post a step by step setup guide, please?
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On Wed, 2005-10-19 at 14:24 +0800, Ronald Wiplinger wrote:> Can anybody post a step by step setup guide, please?Its like anything else once you have signed up ... in iax.conf register => PHONENUMBER:PASSWORD@server1.goiax.com/goiax-in [goiax] type = peer host = server1.goiax.com context = default secret = PASSWORD allow = gsm ;allow = ulaw ;disallow = all notransfer = yes qualify = yes auth = md5 username = PHONENUMBER replace PHONENUMBER with the 8782xxxx number you were issued. Replace PASSWORD with your password from you account signup. Then in extensions.conf ; for outbound exten => _1NXXXXXXXXX,1,Dial(IAX2/PHONENUMBER@goiax/${EXTEN},90,R) exten => _1NXXXXXXXXX,2,Busy exten => _1NXXXXXXXXX,102,Congestion exten => _1NXXXXXXXXX,202,playback(tt-weasels) ; for inbound exten => goiax-in,1,DO WHATEVER HERE asterisk -rx reload you should be set. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/attachments/20051019/af439439/attachment.pgp
trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote:> I dont know then that was cut and paste from what I have working ... > > maybe actual log dumps of the error? > > On Wed, 2005-10-19 at 10:27 -0700, pbx@itsngroup.com wrote: >> That is What I stated in the email.. my GOIAX #. not the DID #. >> >> That is not the issue. > >Is this still ongoing? If so... when you get an error like s@xxxxxx in the log, it is a good indication that something is looking for a priority s in the context (I think????). In my case I set up goiax yesterday and had this exact error. The solution was simply to have s priorities in the context in extensions.conf that my context in iax.conf was pointing to for goiax. NOTE: In the following, "mygoiaxnumber" should be replaced with the actual number (not DID number) that you see on your screen when you first register, just above you password. iax.conf: register => mygoiaxnumber:mypassword@server1.goiax.com [mygoiaxnumber] context=goiaxinwards etc etc extensions.conf: [goiaxinwards] exten => s,1, Answer() etc AND NOT: exten => mygoiaxnumber,1,Answer() etc (which is what I originally had and which did not work for me in my particular case - I got the s@goiaxinwards type error) Faris.