asterisk users - Apr 2005 - RE: Ebay listing selling Asterisk @ Home and AMPfor over 1000 dollars

Lol, just posted a question to the list that should keep away any
bidders.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-
> bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Charles Osstyn
> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 4:01 PM
> To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
> Subject: [Asterisk-Users] RE: Ebay listing selling Asterisk @ Home and
> AMPfor over 1000 dollars
> 
> Is this ok to sell this on Ebay when they are using open source
software?
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5766004579
> 
> Hoping to have helped,
> 
> 
> Charles Osstyn
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com 
> [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of 
> dean collins
> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 5:35 PM
> To: charlie@osstyn.demon.co.uk; Asterisk Users Mailing List - 
> Non-Commercial Discussion
> Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] RE: Ebay listing selling 
> Asterisk @ Home and AMPfor over 1000 dollars
> 
> Lol, just posted a question to the list that should keep away 
> any bidders.
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com 
> [mailto:asterisk-users- 
> > bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Charles Osstyn
> > Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 4:01 PM
> > To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
> > Subject: [Asterisk-Users] RE: Ebay listing selling Asterisk 
> @ Home and 
> > AMPfor over 1000 dollars
> > 
> > Is this ok to sell this on Ebay when they are using open source
> software?
> > 
> > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5766004579
> > 
> > Hoping to have helped,
> > 
> > 
<SNIP GARBAGE>

While I agree that it is ok to sell packages such as this, I do have to
inquire as to whether the proper credit has been given for all of the
modifications in branding and such from the Asterisk@Home, AMP, and
other projects that this company has used. I have asked for proof of it
as I am leary that they have when in there advertisement for the product
they clearly state:

"We have also built in a Web GUI for call accounting records (databased
in MySQL). Also builtin is the AsteriskGUI Operator Panel. This panel
will show actual realtime call activity, allow an operator or
administrator to disconnect calls, create conferences, or initiate calls
internally or externally by the click of the mouse from any web browser,
internal to your office, or with a change to your router, even external
management as well."

Making it seem that they are the creators of everything except for the *
server.

Robert Webb wrote:
> 
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com 
>>[mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of 
>>dean collins
>>Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 5:35 PM
>>To: charlie@osstyn.demon.co.uk; Asterisk Users Mailing List - 
>>Non-Commercial Discussion
>>Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] RE: Ebay listing selling 
>>Asterisk @ Home and AMPfor over 1000 dollars
>>
>>Lol, just posted a question to the list that should keep away 
>>any bidders.
>>
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com 
>>>      
>>>
>>[mailto:asterisk-users- 
>>    
>>
>>>bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Charles Osstyn
>>>Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 4:01 PM
>>>To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
>>>Subject: [Asterisk-Users] RE: Ebay listing selling Asterisk 
>>>      
>>>
>>@ Home and 
>>    
>>
>>>AMPfor over 1000 dollars
>>>
>>>Is this ok to sell this on Ebay when they are using open source
>>>      
>>>
>>software?
>>    
>>
>>>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5766004579
>>>
>>>Hoping to have helped,
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>
><SNIP GARBAGE>
>
>While I agree that it is ok to sell packages such as this, I do have to
>inquire as to whether the proper credit has been given for all of the
>modifications in branding and such from the Asterisk@Home, AMP, and
>other projects that this company has used. I have asked for proof of it
>as I am leary that they have when in there advertisement for the product
>they clearly state:
>
>"We have also built in a Web GUI for call accounting records (databased
>in MySQL). Also builtin is the AsteriskGUI Operator Panel. This panel
>will show actual realtime call activity, allow an operator or
>administrator to disconnect calls, create conferences, or initiate calls
>internally or externally by the click of the mouse from any web browser,
>internal to your office, or with a change to your router, even external
>management as well."
>
>Making it seem that they are the creators of everything except for the *
>server.
>
>  
>
As not native English speaker I would not see that "built in" means
that
they made it, ... for me it just says installed and setup.
(compare it with a workshop for your car, if they "build into" your
car
a stereo, than they certainly did not "create" the stereo)
All in all, I would not see any problem with selling it on E-bay. ONLY 
that the picture of Asterisk CDR has been changed to their name, but if 
they still give the credit to the original it is still ok.
The buyer decides if he accepts the price or not.

I saw another company, who made "fun" with the credit!!! The offered a
14 page credit list. Pick what is really inside!!!!


bye

Ronald

Sorry to disappoint you, but questions only appear if the SELLER 
wants them to.  So if the seller doesn't like your question, he doesn't 
have to make it show up on the listing.


Jon.


On Monday 11 April 2005 04:35 pm, dean collins wrote:
> Lol, just posted a question to the list that should keep away any
> bidders.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-
> > bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Charles Osstyn
> > Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 4:01 PM
> > To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
> > Subject: [Asterisk-Users] RE: Ebay listing selling Asterisk @ Home and
> > AMPfor over 1000 dollars
> >
> > Is this ok to sell this on Ebay when they are using open source
>
> software?
>
> > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5766004579
> >
> > Hoping to have helped,
> >
> >
> > Charles Osstyn
> >
> > 11, Cowper Crescent
> > Foxhill, Sheffield
> > S6 1AU
> > United Kingdom
> >
> >
> > Standard contact channels
> >
> > Tel                     +44 (0)114 231 38 98 (Now connected to our
>
> VOIP
>
> > server
> > Gonzo, hit option five for my office line.)
> > Mob                     +44 (0)790 393 91 46
> > Fax                     +44 (0)870 051 79 92
> >
> > Preferred VOIP contact channels
> >
> > SIP                     sip:2045@gonzo.osstyn.com (Get a free pre-
> > configured (with
> > account) VOIP soft phone from FWD (Free World Dialup) here for your
>
> PC,
>
> > laptop or
> > Pocket PC.)
> > E-mail                 charlie@osstyn.demon.co.uk
> > Web                    www.osstyn.com
> > Webcam                 www.osstyn.com:81/guest.htm On request via
>
> Skype.
>
> > Skype                  charelke (Get the free Skype VOIP client here.)
> > MSN Messenger          chosstyn@hotmail.com (Get MSN Messenger here.)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> to be
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> > taken
> > in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Robert Webb wrote:
> 
> > 
> >
> >  
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com
> >>[mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of dean 
> >>collins
> >>Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 5:35 PM
> >>To: charlie@osstyn.demon.co.uk; Asterisk Users Mailing List - 
> >>Non-Commercial Discussion
> >>Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] RE: Ebay listing selling 
> Asterisk @ Home 
> >>and AMPfor over 1000 dollars
> >>
> >>Lol, just posted a question to the list that should keep away any 
> >>bidders.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>[mailto:asterisk-users-
> >>    
> >>
> >>>bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Charles Osstyn
> >>>Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 4:01 PM
> >>>To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
> >>>Subject: [Asterisk-Users] RE: Ebay listing selling Asterisk
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>@ Home and
> >>    
> >>
> >>>AMPfor over 1000 dollars
> >>>
> >>>Is this ok to sell this on Ebay when they are using open source
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>software?
> >>    
> >>
>
>>>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5766004579
> >>>
> >>>Hoping to have helped,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >
> ><SNIP GARBAGE>
> >
> >While I agree that it is ok to sell packages such as this, I 
> do have to 
> >inquire as to whether the proper credit has been given for 
> all of the 
> >modifications in branding and such from the Asterisk@Home, AMP, and 
> >other projects that this company has used. I have asked for 
> proof of it 
> >as I am leary that they have when in there advertisement for the 
> >product they clearly state:
> >
> >"We have also built in a Web GUI for call accounting records 
> (databased 
> >in MySQL). Also builtin is the AsteriskGUI Operator Panel. 
> This panel 
> >will show actual realtime call activity, allow an operator or 
> >administrator to disconnect calls, create conferences, or initiate 
> >calls internally or externally by the click of the mouse 
> from any web 
> >browser, internal to your office, or with a change to your 
> router, even 
> >external management as well."
> >
> >Making it seem that they are the creators of everything 
> except for the 
> >* server.
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> As not native English speaker I would not see that "built in" 
> means that they made it, ... for me it just says installed and setup.
> (compare it with a workshop for your car, if they "build 
> into" your car a stereo, than they certainly did not
"create"
> the stereo) All in all, I would not see any problem with 
> selling it on E-bay. ONLY that the picture of Asterisk CDR 
> has been changed to their name, but if they still give the 
> credit to the original it is still ok.
> The buyer decides if he accepts the price or not.
> 
> I saw another company, who made "fun" with the credit!!! The
offered a
> 14 page credit list. Pick what is really inside!!!!
> 
> 
> bye
> 
> Ronald

I see where you are coming from. However, when I read or hear someone
say "We have built in" something into a system, to me that implies
they
designed it and are taking the credit for it. Yes, that have given a
bulleted list of items included in the package. But no where in their
advertisement nor in the screenshots that I can see, do they give credit
to anyone other than Asterisk for the package. And the entire thing
appears to be completely built off of the Asterisk@Home project that is
certainly a lot easier to setup than what they claim in that writing.

Robert