http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Asterisk-test Stuff shows up fast! Anyone have insight on this, did I miss something?
Damon Estep wrote:> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Asterisk-test > > Stuff shows up fast! Anyone have insight on this, did I miss something?Looks like a mirror of the mailing list... -- Cheers, Matt Riddell _______________________________________________ http://www.sineapps.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News - html) http://www.sineapps.com/rssfeed.php (Daily Asterisk News - rss)
This has some potential especially for searching. -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Matt Riddell Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 8:59 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Google Group? Damon Estep wrote:> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Asterisk-test > > Stuff shows up fast! Anyone have insight on this, did I miss something?Looks like a mirror of the mailing list... -- Cheers, Matt Riddell _______________________________________________ http://www.sineapps.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News - html) http://www.sineapps.com/rssfeed.php (Daily Asterisk News - rss) _______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Too bad posts made to the GG do not get mirrored here...> -----Original Message----- > From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users- > bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Calvis > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 10:11 PM > To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' > Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Google Group? > > This has some potential especially for searching. > > -----Original Message----- > From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com > [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of MattRiddell> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 8:59 PM > To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Google Group? > > Damon Estep wrote: > > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Asterisk-test > > > > Stuff shows up fast! Anyone have insight on this, did I misssomething?> > Looks like a mirror of the mailing list... > > -- > Cheers, > > Matt Riddell > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.sineapps.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News - html) > http://www.sineapps.com/rssfeed.php (Daily Asterisk News - rss) > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > > > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
"Damon Estep" <damon@suburbanbroadband.net> writes:> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Asterisk-test > > Stuff shows up fast! Anyone have insight on this, did I miss something?Apparently, somebody created that group on google groups and subscribed it to the * mailing list. As long as registered, anybody can do that. This does afaik not imply that those groups will show up on news servers, like e.g. the Debian moderated groups which just mirror their mailing lists, and to which posting isn't possible either, btw., because they're mirrored as moderated groups. So the whole thing lives on google only, and it's real (and probably only) benefit is the search capability. Which is still useful enough, though :) I didn't find out yet how long google will keep the postings. Maybe 'indefinitely', as they generally seem to do with newsgroups, maybe just a limited time ... Looks like the goup was created around end of Feb, beginning of March. Regards, Bruno.
trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com
2005-Apr-08 07:04 UTC
[Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Google Group?
a couple other lists that I am on got notices last night that they were added to google groups. I wonder if this is a google marketing ploy, seek out all lists and subscribe them then spam the various lists informing the individuals that instead of seeing it free in your email box you can make google money by using a web browser and watching ads. On Fri, 2005-04-08 at 15:52 +0200, Bruno Hertz wrote:> "Damon Estep" <damon@suburbanbroadband.net> writes: > > > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Asterisk-test > > > > Stuff shows up fast! Anyone have insight on this, did I miss something? > > Apparently, somebody created that group on google groups and subscribed > it to the * mailing list. As long as registered, anybody can do that. >-- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/attachments/20050408/63e14b1b/attachment.pgp
> What I'm still wondering about is, while you can post to that group, > whether your postings are actually propagated to this list. Didanybody> try that? > > Regards, Bruno. > > _______________________________________________ >Postings to google are not mirrored here, tried it. I think we are going to start seeing many people new to * using the google group and not getting the benefit of the infinite wisdom here. I can not imagine how you would sync them, that would only result in a circular posting nightmare.
> Why? I'd say it's only a config issue. As long as the google group > has this mailing list as it's only feed and posting to the group > is equivalent to posting to the list everything should be fine. >How do you propose getting posts from google to here? Email?
> >> Why? I'd say it's only a config issue. As long as the google group > >> has this mailing list as it's only feed and posting to the group > >> is equivalent to posting to the list everything should be fine. > >> > > How do you propose getting posts from google to here? Email? > > Well, the group receives it's content by email. It's nothing else > than a subscribed user. As that, it could post (email) to this list > as well. > > Regards, Bruno. >And that is where the problems starts, if the group posts via email, and is subscribed via email, you form a loop Someone posts to google, google emails the list, the list emails google, google emails the list... Am I missing something simple here?
> >> > > > Postings to google are not mirrored here, tried it. I think we aregoing> > to start seeing many people new to * using the google group and not > > getting the benefit of the infinite wisdom here. > > > They will if google keeps getting the content from this list. The > problem would be that people on a google group say something that may > help people here and we dont see it. > > I have a problem with what happened last night in relation to thegoogle> groups. Google sent out emails to a couple different lists I am on(and> an unknown quantity of lists I am not on) saying that the list is not > subscribed to google groups. This is blatent spam from a company Iused> to respect and like. > > Googles refusal to fix the 302 redirect problem which has caused their > search results to be less accurate and now basically hijacking mailing > lists on a one sided basis is further cause for concern. By feedingthe> content of lists into their database to get people to goto theirwebpage> and start threads there that are not shared with the list means its a > fork of the list and creates less info sharing. Its a good idea that > was poorly implemented. > > > > I can not imagine how you would sync them, that would only result ina> > circular posting nightmare. > > _______________________________ > > google could do it if they wanted. They obviously have a subscription > to the list or they wouldnt be able to get them. Well not obviously, > they could be going to gmane or other mail -> NNTP services thatalready> exist. > > If google did subscribe to the list to get content from the list, they > could easily post to the list as well. Although authentication may be > an issue if a list is 'closed' and google tries to insert the email > address supplied via their webpage. > > Regardless google could easily filter it so it only sends to the list > what is entered via a webpage and not everything it gets in its'inbox'.> That would be an ideal solution so there is effectively not two > repositories of information, one on google and the list which would > effectively a subset of the information on their list. > > I do have some other issues with google groups, right after Sept 11, > 2001 google decided to delete many posts that were in their groups. > These were '911 propechy posts'. If they will delete for that reason, > and keep it silent that they did it as well as why, what would prevent > them from say not putting this post up because its not in googles best > interest? What would prevent them from putting up other posts thathave> valid information in them just because google does not want people tobe> able to see the information? > > But now I am just ranting and I have to fix the ram in this system soI> will leave this issue alone. > > -- > Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.comNot to mention that the Google bounce servers are on every RBL in the world.
> > On Fri, 2005-04-08 at 12:01 -0600, Damon Estep wrote: > > > >> Why? I'd say it's only a config issue. As long as the googlegroup> > > >> has this mailing list as it's only feed and posting to thegroup> > > >> is equivalent to posting to the list everything should be fine. > > > >> > > > > How do you propose getting posts from google to here? Email? > > > > > > Well, the group receives it's content by email. It's nothing else > > > than a subscribed user. As that, it could post (email) to thislist> > > as well. > > > > > > Regards, Bruno. > > > > > And that is where the problems starts, if the group posts via email,and> > is subscribed via email, you form a loop > > > > *ONLY* if you redirect everything google receives via email back tothe> list. They do not have to do that they could forward only what is > posted via their webpage to the list, but choose not to do (aparently) > which causes a seperate list populated in part by the existing list.It> creates a one way information flow to google groups but not from it. > > -- > Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.comDo we know who set the group up? Is that an option?
> -----Original Message----- > From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users- > bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Damon Estep > Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 3:15 PM > To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion > Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk Google Group? > > > > > On Fri, 2005-04-08 at 12:01 -0600, Damon Estep wrote: > > > > >> Why? I'd say it's only a config issue. As long as the google > group > > > > >> has this mailing list as it's only feed and posting to the > group > > > > >> is equivalent to posting to the list everything should befine.> > > > >> > > > > > How do you propose getting posts from google to here? Email? > > > > > > > > Well, the group receives it's content by email. It's nothingelse> > > > than a subscribed user. As that, it could post (email) to this > list > > > > as well. > > > > > > > > Regards, Bruno. > > > > > > > And that is where the problems starts, if the group posts viaemail,> and > > > is subscribed via email, you form a loop > > > > > > > *ONLY* if you redirect everything google receives via email back to > the > > list. They do not have to do that they could forward only what is > > posted via their webpage to the list, but choose not to do(aparently)> > which causes a seperate list populated in part by the existing list. > It > > creates a one way information flow to google groups but not from it. > > > > -- > > Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com > > Do we know who set the group up? Is that an option? > _______________________________________________It would be q heck of a lot more readable! Too bad they didn't get it right, and why use a name like asterisk-test, you would think they would have the brains to call it asterisk-users...