Hi all. Can anyone comment why shouldn't we use FC 3 for an * production system? I'm not looking to start a distro war, but we just found out that redhat 9 (and FC 1) don't support SATA drives, and apparently FC 3 does. We are only familiar with red hat and are in a point in time that switching distros is not available. The guy installing the system is already on location. Yes, I know we made a silly mistake. Please help us... Thanks. Shoval
Shoval Tomer wrote:> Hi all. > > Can anyone comment why shouldn't we use FC 3 for an * production system? > > I'm not looking to start a distro war, but we just found out that redhat > 9 (and FC 1) don't support SATA drives, and apparently FC 3 does. >If you didn't have a problem with RH9 then why are you concerned about FC3? You can download FC3 from http://fedora.redhat.com/download/#download. Make sure to select the link to i386 (32bit) or x86_64 (64bit) as appropriate for your system. There are four .iso files of 600MB+ plus a rescue file. Check the 'md5sum' of each file against the web site. Then use cdrecord to write each file to a CD-ROM. You can then install FC3 as normal. Mike -- Michael Welter Introspect Telephony Corp. Denver, Colorado US +1.303.674.2575 mike@introspect.com www.introspect.com
Shoval Tomer wrote:> Can anyone comment why shouldn't we use FC 3 for an * production system?when I tried the X100P drivers on FC3 I had problems with udev, the workaround didn't work for me, maybe things have improved since ...
Try WhiteBox Linux ... It's a freeware clone of Redhat Enterprise Linux ... Its available for download in ISO CD image form (3 CD's required) ... Installs and configures just like Redhat ... Am using it now with SATA drives ... Works well with Asterisk ... Should be able to find a download site easily by Googling "WhiteBox Linux" ... I have no axe to grind and am not affiliated with ANY particular Linux distro ... Have tried a lot of them and particularly like Redhat for its ease of install/configure ... Like you, don't want to get into any distro wars as its counterproductive ... If you know Redhat and need to download a distro that is similar and will not get you into license trouble, try WhiteBox ... While not right for everyone, it may be just what you are looking for ... G.Hendershot -----Original Message----- From: Shoval Tomer [mailto:shoval@softov.co.il] Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 12:32 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: [Asterisk-Users] kind of urgent Hi all. Can anyone comment why shouldn't we use FC 3 for an * production system? I'm not looking to start a distro war, but we just found out that redhat 9 (and FC 1) don't support SATA drives, and apparently FC 3 does. We are only familiar with red hat and are in a point in time that switching distros is not available. The guy installing the system is already on location. Yes, I know we made a silly mistake. Please help us... Thanks. Shoval
On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:32:24 +0200, Shoval Tomer <shoval@softov.co.il> wrote:> Can anyone comment why shouldn't we use FC 3 for an * production system? > > I'm not looking to start a distro war, but we just found out that redhat > 9 (and FC 1) don't support SATA drives, and apparently FC 3 does. > > We are only familiar with red hat and are in a point in time that > switching distros is not available. > The guy installing the system is already on location. > > Yes, I know we made a silly mistake. Please help us... > Thanks.I'm not too sure what you want help with. You say that you are stuck to using FC3 because earlier versions don't support SATA drives? Could you use an older version and recompile the SATA drive support into the kernel? What about FC2 as it's 2.6 kernel based? If you can't switch distributions because you don't know any other distro's, and you don't have time to learn another one, I don't know what you want people to say? There is no solution to your problem as you've set some very strict limits. Looks like you are stuck at taking the risk of using FC3 in production. I've never used it in production, but hey, enjoy! :) Thanks, Leif Madsen - not sure what to answer with.
Though you probably won't use them, I'd still like to mention fyi that proprietary AVM Fritz PCI Card drivers didn't work for me on FC3. They did on Debian Sarge. Regards, Bruno. On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 19:32 +0200, Shoval Tomer wrote:> Hi all. > > Can anyone comment why shouldn't we use FC 3 for an * production system? > > I'm not looking to start a distro war, but we just found out that redhat > 9 (and FC 1) don't support SATA drives, and apparently FC 3 does. > > We are only familiar with red hat and are in a point in time that > switching distros is not available. > The guy installing the system is already on location. > > Yes, I know we made a silly mistake. Please help us... > Thanks. > > Shoval > > > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >
I just deployed an * system using FC3 and it is woking nicely for 1 and half weeks without a restart. this is what I get running uptime: 13:50:44 up 10 days, 23:23, 1 user, load average: 0.01, 0.01, 0.00 I'm using it with the follwing: Apache, for flash op TFTP, for cisco phones. and a digium tdm400 You shouldn't have any problems. Hatzlacha. On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:32:24 +0200, Shoval Tomer <shoval@softov.co.il> wrote:> Hi all. > > Can anyone comment why shouldn't we use FC 3 for an * production system? > > I'm not looking to start a distro war, but we just found out that redhat > 9 (and FC 1) don't support SATA drives, and apparently FC 3 does. > > We are only familiar with red hat and are in a point in time that > switching distros is not available. > The guy installing the system is already on location. > > Yes, I know we made a silly mistake. Please help us... > Thanks. > > Shoval > > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >
I have * working on FC2 with SATA drives. I would wait to go FC3 untill it matures a bit. Hope this help On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:32:24 +0200, Shoval Tomer <shoval@softov.co.il> wrote:> Hi all. > > Can anyone comment why shouldn't we use FC 3 for an * production system? > > I'm not looking to start a distro war, but we just found out that redhat > 9 (and FC 1) don't support SATA drives, and apparently FC 3 does. > > We are only familiar with red hat and are in a point in time that > switching distros is not available. > The guy installing the system is already on location. > > Yes, I know we made a silly mistake. Please help us... > Thanks. > > Shoval > > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >
I think you can make SATA work on RH9, it just takes a little bit of manipulation. http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html I haven't gotten around to doing it yet on my $246 Dell SC420 but I'm sure it can be done. -- Patrick Campbell OurVacationStore.com Website Administrator Tel. 602.896.4729 -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of timebandit001@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 12:04 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] kind of urgent I have * working on FC2 with SATA drives. I would wait to go FC3 untill it matures a bit. Hope this help On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:32:24 +0200, Shoval Tomer <shoval@softov.co.il> wrote:> Hi all. > > Can anyone comment why shouldn't we use FC 3 for an * production system? > > I'm not looking to start a distro war, but we just found out that > redhat > 9 (and FC 1) don't support SATA drives, and apparently FC 3 does. > > We are only familiar with red hat and are in a point in time that > switching distros is not available. > The guy installing the system is already on location. > > Yes, I know we made a silly mistake. Please help us... > Thanks. > > Shoval > > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >_______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
> Hi all. > > Can anyone comment why shouldn't we use FC 3 for an * production system? > > I'm not looking to start a distro war, but we just found out that redhat > 9 (and FC 1) don't support SATA drives, and apparently FC 3 does. > > We are only familiar with red hat and are in a point in time that > switching distros is not available. > The guy installing the system is already on location. > > Yes, I know we made a silly mistake. Please help us... > Thanks.Shoval, I am using FC2 on a production asterisk server and it supports our SATA controller. I have FC2 running on a few servers and haven't had any major problems with them. I don't have any experience with FC3, but quite a few people seem to have had negative experiences with the Fedora Core implementations in general. If you would like to stick to the Red Hat line, you may want to consider one of the distros based on Red Hat Enterprise Linux, such as Tao Linux (http://taolinux.org/). I haven't used it personally, but I am planning on putting it on a test box to try it out. Hope this helps, Patrick
First of all, Thanks to all of you who replied to my post. I have tried setting up FC 3 on a system here to check if asterisk compiles OK (even though I have no Digium hardware here) and to save time for the guy on site later. Installing FC 3 is simple, very much like other red hat versions. I got asterisk 1.0.3 tar balls from asterisk.org and compiled them. No error, no glitch, no nothing. Asterisk loads ok, with no errors. Tests with sip and iax softphones are ok. I'll let you know later on how it went on site with Digium hardware installation. Thanks again for all you help. Shoval. BTW, my intention was to use SATA drives and Linux software RAID, not any onboard SATA RAID controllers, cause there isn't one in the system. Sorry for not clarifying that earlier. Cheers.
Shoval Tomer wrote:> Hi all. > > Can anyone comment why shouldn't we use FC 3 for an * production system? >For the same reason you should not use Fedora Core line for ANY production system, as it designers intend it to be an experimental branch. In particular, FC3 has the NSA's SELinux patches integrated and enabled for the first time in any general purpose distro - one day it will be a great technology, but do you REALLY want to test this on your PBX system?> I'm not looking to start a distro war, but we just found out that redhat > 9 (and FC 1) don't support SATA drives, and apparently FC 3 does. > > We are only familiar with red hat and are in a point in time that > switching distros is not available. > The guy installing the system is already on location. > > Yes, I know we made a silly mistake. Please help us...I would go with either RedHat Enterprise 3.0 (in case you have the money for the support contract and patience to the stupid local marketing drones that know nothing from Matrix) or with WhiteBox Enterprise Linux (a recompilation of RHEL 3.0 from the same sources minus some trademarked pictures and costly support contract) if you don't. Hope this helps, Gilad
Shoval Tomer wrote:>Hi all. > >Can anyone comment why shouldn't we use FC 3 for an * production system? > > >Depends. If you have already chosen FC3, then I would assume that you are comfortable with its limitations (services are community rather than vendor based, there is a fair bit of experimental software included, etc). These are limitations that cause many people to decide not to use FC3 for mission-critical production systems (such as a PBX). However, it depends on your desire to rely on vendor support and long release cycles for your production system. If these are not issues, then there is absolutely no reason not to use FC3. There are some added complexities, such as udev, SE-Linux, etc. which can require additional study, but these are comparitively minor, and although they add some additional support overhead during the installation phase, they have their uses and can be used to create a better system. If you need support for the distro, you can contact any number of consultants (my business included) and it will generally be supported separately from Asterisk anyway.>I'm not looking to start a distro war, but we just found out that redhat >9 (and FC 1) don't support SATA drives, and apparently FC 3 does. > > >In general, you can do some research on how to get SATA drives to work with 2.4 kernels, though it may change how you go about updating your system. I have been very happy with FC3 after the initial learning curve, BTW.>We are only familiar with red hat and are in a point in time that >switching distros is not available. >The guy installing the system is already on location. > >Well, if he gets it running, then you have no reason to migrate :-) Some people have had trouble with udev and SE-Linux with various services, so just suggesting that getting the system running is the hardest part.>Yes, I know we made a silly mistake. Please help us... >Thanks. > >Shoval > > >_______________________________________________ >Asterisk-Users mailing list >Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > > >-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: chris.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 127 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/attachments/20050109/d448daf3/chris.vcf