There is a $200 bounty for helping document a step by step guide to AMP, anyone on this list interested in making easy money feel free to contact me. Cheers, Dean ________________________________ From: dean collins Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 9:26 AM To: 'amportal-users-request@lists.sourceforge.net' Subject: $200 AMP documentation bounty http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1177612&forum_id=414452 If anyone on this list would like to make $200 for helping with a step by step document please contact me at this email address. Also if anyone on this list that actually has AMP running and you are based in NY please contact me as well. Cheers, Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/attachments/20041112/b148378f/attachment.htm
On November 12, 2004 09:27 am, dean collins wrote:> There is a $200 bounty for helping document a step by step guide to AMP, > anyone on this list interested in making easy money feel free to contact > me.What is AMP? Asteirisk Manager Panel? (yes I realize this pretty much shows I am not going after the bounty, :-) -A.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/amportal/ AMP is this super manager that was set up a few weeks ago, basically it ties together about 3 or 4 other programs and presents it as a nice GUI display...... Lol, in other words for newbies forget it, I've tried like 3 or 4 times to install it and their documentation just plain sucks, so I'm prepared to pay anyone $200 that can write a step by step guide and then this can be posted online to help out others. Cheers, Dean -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Kohlsmith Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 9:42 AM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] $200 AMP documentation bounty On November 12, 2004 09:27 am, dean collins wrote:> There is a $200 bounty for helping document a step by step guide toAMP,> anyone on this list interested in making easy money feel free tocontact> me.What is AMP? Asteirisk Manager Panel? (yes I realize this pretty much shows I am not going after the bounty, :-) -A. _______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Sorry Andrew I'm a little more tenacious that that. I guess other people might not give up so easily. Cheers, Dean -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Kohlsmith Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 10:02 AM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] $200 AMP documentation bounty On November 12, 2004 09:50 am, dean collins wrote:> Lol, in other words for newbies forget it, I've tried like 3 or 4times> to install it and their documentation just plain sucks, so I'mprepared> to pay anyone $200 that can write a step by step guide and then thiscan> be posted online to help out others.You're right the install documentation looks horrendous, and it requires mysql and to run on the asterisk box (by the looks of it) Dude may as well forget it. :-) I could probably get the bounty from reading there but it looks like it'll mangle any distro with dependency tracking since it's all source based. Doesn't bug me on my slack system but anyway :-) -A. _______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
> Lol, in other words for newbies forget it, I've tried like 3 or 4 times > to install it and their documentation just plain sucks, so I'm prepared > to pay anyone $200 that can write a step by step guide and then this can > be posted online to help out others.Hey, I'm a newbie and I got it to go OK. Works fine. First time I tried the dependencies drove me nuts too, so I switched tactics and just used FC2 Yum; for all the required packages I just used yum install <package> and it resolved all the dependencies. For any other stuff, like Sendmail config, auto-starting a service, etc google is your friend. For MySQL permissions issues and for general admin issues phpadmin and webmin are your friends. Once your config is locked down, take them out. I agree about the docs though, they are brutal and it takes a half-day to install it from scratch. Some of the stuff is cryptic: "Get AstPerl from Gnuinter. Install it." How? You l33t guys on the list chuckle at our noobieness, but for a noob it's a steep learning curve. If you come from the Windows world or no world at all, installs like this border on insane but IMO the best way to overcome it is to take a crash course in general Linux admin: "what does chmod do? " , "Case matters in Linux, so double check what you are typing" , "Get proficient with a text editor, you will need it" , "be familiar with both tar and gzip" etc One thing that drove me crazy the first time is that the Perl MCPAN modules kept failing on install until I realized that the -j3 flag in the Perl was required for SMP machines. Little things like that can trip you up and you are screwed. You can't just assume that your "make" command worked because you got a command prompt back. Read the output spit back to the console, carefully. Above all, be patient.
Lol, did you like that one too.......like I said I'm a total newbie but learning fast, I was trying to copy this file across by floppy disk so I had to learn about mounting floppy drives and tar files etc, after 1 hour I happened across 'wget' man I could have punched someone in the face for this. Lol, I know I'll get there but what is it with documentation and opensource. There is a reason Microsoft is winning guys and price isn't it. Cheers, Dean -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Colin Anderson Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 10:41 AM To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] $200 AMP documentation bounty> Lol, in other words for newbies forget it, I've tried like 3 or 4times> to install it and their documentation just plain sucks, so I'mprepared> to pay anyone $200 that can write a step by step guide and then thiscan> be posted online to help out others.Hey, I'm a newbie and I got it to go OK. Works fine. First time I tried the dependencies drove me nuts too, so I switched tactics and just used FC2 Yum; for all the required packages I just used yum install <package> and it resolved all the dependencies. For any other stuff, like Sendmail config, auto-starting a service, etc google is your friend. For MySQL permissions issues and for general admin issues phpadmin and webmin are your friends. Once your config is locked down, take them out. I agree about the docs though, they are brutal and it takes a half-day to install it from scratch. Some of the stuff is cryptic: "Get AstPerl from Gnuinter. Install it." How? You l33t guys on the list chuckle at our noobieness, but for a noob it's a steep learning curve. If you come from the Windows world or no world at all, installs like this border on insane but IMO the best way to overcome it is to take a crash course in general Linux admin: "what does chmod do? " , "Case matters in Linux, so double check what you are typing" , "Get proficient with a text editor, you will need it" , "be familiar with both tar and gzip" etc One thing that drove me crazy the first time is that the Perl MCPAN modules kept failing on install until I realized that the -j3 flag in the Perl was required for SMP machines. Little things like that can trip you up and you are screwed. You can't just assume that your "make" command worked because you got a command prompt back. Read the output spit back to the console, carefully. Above all, be patient. _______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
I would be interested in helping create this, I have extensive knowledge in web interface design and currently work for a software house, I can help with interface design, documentation and bug testing. I can read code but am not the greatest at creating code in C. I would be interested in starting/helping in an interface project as this is the greatest stumbling block for asterisk and will stop it from being commercially viable. -----Original Message----- From: Gregory Junker [mailto:gregory.junker@dayark.com] Sent: 12 November 2004 16:55 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] $200 AMP documentation bounty How about this. It's obvious that there is a strong demand for a clean, portable, easy-to-use Asterisk manager application. Apparently those that exist currently fall short in one or more areas, or we wouldn't be having this discussion. Why don't we compile a list of features that people want their manager app to do for them, and finally do one that works, is easy to install, and is intuitive? I'd be happy to manage the project, help code it, design it, whatever it takes. It'll give my decade or so of software engineering experience something to do. I'll start off with the obvious: - The app must allow the administrator, either graphically or via menu- and dialog-driven GUI, to add, remove and otherwise edit extensions within the Asterisk PBX software. - The app must allow the administrator, either graphically or via menu- and dialog-driven GUI, to add, remove and otherwise edit users within the Asterisk PBX software. - The app must allow the administrator, either graphically or via menu- and dialog-driven GUI, to add, remove and otherwise edit channels within the Asterisk PBX software. If anyone is interested in helping continue to describe what you want from an Asterisk system manager, I am perfectly willing to do my best and my part to make it happen. Greg dean collins wrote:> http://sourceforge.net/projects/amportal/ > > AMP is this super manager that was set up a few weeks ago, basically it > ties together about 3 or 4 other programs and presents it as a nice GUI > display...... > > Lol, in other words for newbies forget it, I've tried like 3 or 4 times > to install it and their documentation just plain sucks, so I'm prepared > to pay anyone $200 that can write a step by step guide and then this can > be posted online to help out others. > > > Cheers, > Dean > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com > [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Andrew > Kohlsmith > Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 9:42 AM > To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] $200 AMP documentation bounty > > On November 12, 2004 09:27 am, dean collins wrote: > >>There is a $200 bounty for helping document a step by step guide to > > AMP, > >>anyone on this list interested in making easy money feel free to > > contact > >>me. > > > What is AMP? Asteirisk Manager Panel? > > (yes I realize this pretty much shows I am not going after the bounty, > :-) > > -A. > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >_______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/attachments/20041112/51c700f4/attachment.htm
Greg don't mean to be rude but piss off and start a new email :) There are already a number of easy to use gui's about Xorcom and Asterisk Live. I'm paying for documentation for an already existing product that does a great job but I just haven't been able to install because the How To documentation is shocking. Cheers, Dean -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Gregory Junker Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 11:55 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] $200 AMP documentation bounty How about this. It's obvious that there is a strong demand for a clean, portable, easy-to-use Asterisk manager application. Apparently those that exist currently fall short in one or more areas, or we wouldn't be having this discussion. Why don't we compile a list of features that people want their manager app to do for them, and finally do one that works, is easy to install, and is intuitive? I'd be happy to manage the project, help code it, design it, whatever it takes. It'll give my decade or so of software engineering experience something to do. I'll start off with the obvious: - The app must allow the administrator, either graphically or via menu- and dialog-driven GUI, to add, remove and otherwise edit extensions within the Asterisk PBX software. - The app must allow the administrator, either graphically or via menu- and dialog-driven GUI, to add, remove and otherwise edit users within the Asterisk PBX software. - The app must allow the administrator, either graphically or via menu- and dialog-driven GUI, to add, remove and otherwise edit channels within the Asterisk PBX software. If anyone is interested in helping continue to describe what you want from an Asterisk system manager, I am perfectly willing to do my best and my part to make it happen. Greg dean collins wrote:> http://sourceforge.net/projects/amportal/ > > AMP is this super manager that was set up a few weeks ago, basicallyit> ties together about 3 or 4 other programs and presents it as a niceGUI> display...... > > Lol, in other words for newbies forget it, I've tried like 3 or 4times> to install it and their documentation just plain sucks, so I'mprepared> to pay anyone $200 that can write a step by step guide and then thiscan> be posted online to help out others. > > > Cheers, > Dean > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com > [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Andrew > Kohlsmith > Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 9:42 AM > To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] $200 AMP documentation bounty > > On November 12, 2004 09:27 am, dean collins wrote: > >>There is a $200 bounty for helping document a step by step guide to > > AMP, > >>anyone on this list interested in making easy money feel free to > > contact > >>me. > > > What is AMP? Asteirisk Manager Panel? > > (yes I realize this pretty much shows I am not going after the bounty, > :-) > > -A. > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >_______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
dean collins wrote:> There is a $200 bounty for helping document a step by step guide to AMP, > anyone on this list interested in making easy money feel free to contact me.I want to thank Dean for giving me this opportunity to address some of the concerns raised in regards to AMP. AMP began as a value-add to a _small business_ turn-key solution. We felt strongly that in order to approach small businesses with our integrated solution we needed a GUI administration interface that handled the mundane. When we looked at what was available circa Feb/March of this year we realized that we would be better off writing it ourselves. Most of the other (freely available) candidates still appear to me to be thin wrappers to the configuration files that require the end user to have a knowledge of Asterisk and programming logic. From the outset, AMP - or more specifically our piece that allows for setup of extensions, IVRs, etc. - was designed so that an Office Manager of a small business could use it for the day-to-day operational stuff. It's clear to me that our design goal has resulted in the attention of people whose expertise does not extend to the Linux/UNIX world. I personally am thrilled at this. I also understand the frustration these people must feel when met with the INSTALL instructions. We know that if a person has software installation / development experience on Linux that a fully functioning AMP can be installed in a couple hours. We cannot take responsibility for the Linux learning curve. As one poster to this thread commented, "the best way to overcome it is to take a crash course in general Linux admin". I think this is good advice for the time being until we find a solution to the problem of providing the user base with well-written documentation. As to the specifics of providing the said documentation I am open to suggestions. Open source economics make it challenging for the software provider to also provide the other elements of a mature product. Elements like documentation and training. In fact, part of the reason we open sourced our piece of AMP was so that we could solicit help from the Asterisk community to service this need. asteriskdocs.org was a suggestion. We, Coalescent Systems, would also consider hiring a professional technical writer if we can ensure that the demand for documentation was significant and that purchase of the documentation (ala JBoss' model) would support the paid position. AMP is still targeted towards the small office and small business. I think we have made that very clear on the AMP homepage: http://amp.voxbox.ca In short, AMP, by design, limits the feature set of Asterisk and is intended for small office and small business use. It does NOT align well with the needs of larger organizations and is not suited for use in those environments. If Gregory Junker et al. want to design a "standalone, cross-platform" alternative I applaud their initiative. Finally, I want to thank everyone that has shown an interest in AMP and Coalescent Systems. Regards, -- Jason Becker Director & CEO Coalescent Systems Inc. 403.244.8089 www.coalescentsystems.ca