After reading a (hopefully) joke web news article today that said the RIAA was thinking about asking automobile owners to pay extra royalties when there's more than one passenger in the car, I began to worry about putting the classic 1974 Pointer Sisters' tune, "Little Pony" in my mohmp3 directory. I know I can always explicitly search out "royalty free" music, but I wonder if my 50+ year old recordings of The Sons of the Pioneers, or the CD of Clara Rockmore playing a Theremin I bought at the Exploratorium, would wind up with me in the slammer (or the poorhouse!!) if I put them on my system? Does anyone know a way of knowing where a given recording of a song stands? Thx. B.
G'day, Just as a random side note, IIRC, in Australia a couple of years ago Telstra lost a law case regarding music on hold. Google turned up the following url: www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/38201 This doesn't really answer your question regarding those specific files, but as part of Ruxcon organising (www.ruxcon.org - a computer security conference in Sydney, Australia </shameless-plug>) I was talking to the ARPA people; they seemed eager++ to talk to people to insure you weren't breaking copyrights, so you could talk to them about it... With regards to Ruxcon, we were covered by UTS's site license. Hope this helps, Andrew Griffiths On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 03:14:48AM -0500, Brian Capouch wrote:> After reading a (hopefully) joke web news article today that said the > RIAA was thinking about asking automobile owners to pay extra royalties > when there's more than one passenger in the car, I began to worry about > putting the classic 1974 Pointer Sisters' tune, "Little Pony" in my > mohmp3 directory. > > I know I can always explicitly search out "royalty free" music, but I > wonder if my 50+ year old recordings of The Sons of the Pioneers, or the > CD of Clara Rockmore playing a Theremin I bought at the Exploratorium, > would wind up with me in the slammer (or the poorhouse!!) if I put them > on my system? > > Does anyone know a way of knowing where a given recording of a song stands? > > Thx. > > B. > > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 03:14:48AM -0500, Brian Capouch wrote:> After reading a (hopefully) joke web news article today that said the > RIAA was thinking about asking automobile owners to pay extra royalties > when there's more than one passenger in the car, I began to worry about > putting the classic 1974 Pointer Sisters' tune, "Little Pony" in my > mohmp3 directory. > I know I can always explicitly search out "royalty free" music, but I > wonder if my 50+ year old recordings of The Sons of the Pioneers, or the > CD of Clara Rockmore playing a Theremin I bought at the Exploratorium, > would wind up with me in the slammer (or the poorhouse!!) if I put them > on my system? > Does anyone know a way of knowing where a given recording of a song stands?It will be country specific, in the UK you had to pay a license to PRS (now MCPS I think), they charge PER line that music can be played from. Steve -- NetTek Ltd Phone/Fax +44-(0)20 7483 2455 SMS steve-epage (at) gbnet.net [body] gpg 1024D/468952DB 2001-09-19
Brian Capouch wrote:> Does anyone know a way of knowing where a given recording of a song stands?This is one of several sites: http://www.pdinfo.com Also try the site of the agencies of your region, BMI/ASCAP in the US, SACEM in France etc.
AFAIK, in US the copyright expires 25 years after the original copyright holder (author, recording artist, but not sure about an assignee) dies, or after ~70 years from the date of creation (in cases where a corporation holds a copyright for sure), but do not hold your breath, as the companies like Disney constantly lobby to extend this period, otherwise you would certainly see Mickey Mouse cartoons in public domain by now. As far as royalties are concerned, I suppose MOH in US for some company could be considered on par with a bar, which translates to pennies per played song, as long as no more than ~100 people are listening to it at once. But please do not take this a as sound law advice, as I am no lawyer ;-). Cheers! Alex. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Capouch" <brianc@palaver.net> To: <asterisk-users@lists.digium.com> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 3:14 AM Subject: [Asterisk-Users] MOH: Copyright issues?> After reading a (hopefully) joke web news article today that said the > RIAA was thinking about asking automobile owners to pay extra royalties > when there's more than one passenger in the car, I began to worry about > putting the classic 1974 Pointer Sisters' tune, "Little Pony" in my > mohmp3 directory. > > I know I can always explicitly search out "royalty free" music, but I > wonder if my 50+ year old recordings of The Sons of the Pioneers, or the > CD of Clara Rockmore playing a Theremin I bought at the Exploratorium, > would wind up with me in the slammer (or the poorhouse!!) if I put them > on my system? > > Does anyone know a way of knowing where a given recording of a songstands?> > Thx. > > B. > >
Thank you Disney and the late congressman Sonny Bono for unlimited copyright extensions. Every time we get close to having old works fall into the public domain, the large hollywood lobby spreads it's cash around and buys enough votes to extend copyrights yet again. There aren't any countries that I know of that have as long of a copyright expiration as the USA does. When Copyrights were first addressed in this country they were defined at a 20 year expiration and the US constitution guaranteed the following: "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries" I doubt that the framers of the constitution envisioned 120 years as being "Limited". I apologize for rambling, but this is something that touches to many aspects of business, and a law suit for copyrighted songs being played on your on-hold music for your conference calling system or your ACD is not something that you want to waste your time or money on. MATT--- -----Original Message----- From: Bob Klepfer [mailto:bob@photon-x.com] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 3:27 PM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] MOH: Copyright issues? Alex Volkov wrote:>AFAIK, in US the copyright expires 25 years after the original copyright >holder (author, recording artist, but not sure about an assignee) dies, or >after ~70 years from the date of creation (in cases where a corporation >holds a copyright for sure), but do not hold your breath, as the companies >like Disney constantly lobby to extend this period, otherwise you would >certainly see Mickey Mouse cartoons in public domain by now. >As far as royalties are concerned, I suppose MOH in US for some company >could be considered on par with a bar, which translates to pennies per >played song, as long as no more than ~100 people are listening to it at >once. >But please do not take this a as sound law advice, as I am no lawyer ;-). > >Cheers! >Alex. > >Unfortunately, it's much more heinous: 70 years *from the death of the last remaining creator*, if not a work for hire, anonymous, or pseudonymonous work. If it is a work for hire, 95 from first publication, or 120 from creation, whichever ends first. Whether is the work was in the first or second period of copyright (first 28 years) before 1978 changes some things.....I don't know - it takes a lawyer or a bought-and-paid-for politian to read this crap. Too many words, not enough equations :) http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap3.html#302 Bob _______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
I guess that means every * server needs to play old Victorian Music Hall favourites: Bicycle Built For Two Daddy Wouldn?t Buy Me A Bow Wow Hello, Hello, Who?s Your Lady Friend? The Man on the Flying Trapeze ... and many more Iain --On Friday, March 19, 2004 12:59 pm -0800 George Pajari <George.Pajari@NetVoice.ca> wrote:> See also: > > http://www.bmi.com/licensing/business/groupb/faq/musiconhold_questions.asp > http://www.socan.ca/jsp/en/resources/tariffs.jsp (see category 15B) > > > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >