The camping website (new one) includes a link to a not-existant wiki page called ''Philosophy'', which was inherited from Judofyr''s version. I keep meaning to create this article, but I''m increasingly wondering... What do we all feel is Camping''s philosophy? My take: Camping is all about hacking and exploring and having fun, and certainly isn''t serious business. I think it''s also for newbies, including kids, because that''s what nearly all of _why''s projects were for. But that''s very past tense. I''m not sure anymore. What do you all see camping as being? What''s it''s purpose for you? ? Jenna
For me, the philosophy is to keep it as simple as absolutely possible. I''m an eternal newbie, really keen to maintain a way for ''the rest of us'' to have a web framework that: 1. doesn''t give you cognitive overload and file bloat, 2. encourages experimentation with a low entry threshold, 3. can also handle serious web development, 4. doesn''t take itself too seriously. As for the distinction between Camping and others frameworks, I reckon It''s enough to say that Camping is the original/archetypal micro-framework (is it? IOWA?), and the community makes sure it stays true to its original approach. The missing part in the tutorial for me is deployment. I have yet to deploy anything public! But that''s anther post. Dave E.> The camping website (new one) includes a link to a not-existant > wiki page called ''Philosophy'', which was inherited from Judofyr''s > version. I keep meaning to create this article, but I''m > increasingly wondering... > > What do we all feel is Camping''s philosophy? > > My take: Camping is all about hacking and exploring and having fun, > and certainly isn''t serious business. I think it''s also for > newbies, including kids, because that''s what nearly all of _why''s > projects were for. > > But that''s very past tense. I''m not sure anymore. What do you all > see camping as being? What''s it''s purpose for you?
On 23/08/2010, at 8:17 PM, Dave Everitt wrote:> 1. doesn''t give you cognitive overload and file bloat,Yeah! I love the one file thing. :)> 2. encourages experimentation with a low entry threshold,Did you find the extremely high level of fun interesting obscure ruby hacks to be offputting at first? I did.> 3. can also handle serious web development,Yup, so long as you don''t let anyone know you''ve turned to the dark side.> 4. doesn''t take itself too seriously.Sometimes I wonder about that one, but the spirit of rebellion against serious business still seems strong. ^_^> As for the distinction between Camping and others frameworks, I reckon It''s enough to say that Camping is the original/archetypal micro-framework (is it? IOWA?), and the community makes sure it stays true to its original approach.I doubt it''s the original, but I wouldn''t be at all surprised if _why coined the term. I''ve certainly never heard of anything prior referred to as a ''Microframework''.> The missing part in the tutorial for me is deployment. I have yet to deploy anything public! But that''s anther post.Hope this helps: http://camping.creativepony.com/Book:-Publishing-an-App :) Anyone have experience with Heroku or jRuby + App Engine want to fill in the blanks? ? Jenna
On Aug 23, 2010, at 4:17 AM, Dave Everitt wrote:> For me, the philosophy is to keep it as simple as absolutely possible. > > I''m an eternal newbie, really keen to maintain a way for ''the rest of us'' to have a web framework that: > > 1. doesn''t give you cognitive overload and file bloat, > 2. encourages experimentation with a low entry threshold, > 3. can also handle serious web development, > 4. doesn''t take itself too seriously.Yes, yes, yes. The edge-of-zany feel really reinforces most of this.> > As for the distinction between Camping and others frameworks, I reckon It''s enough to say that Camping is the original/archetypal micro-framework (is it? IOWA?), and the community makes sure it stays true to its original approach. >It is. IOWA is most definitely more something else.> The missing part in the tutorial for me is deployment. I have yet to deploy anything public! But that''s anther post.Indeed. And like all things Ruby, deployment can be twiddly.
I am not sure I can even try to get close to the "philosophy" as I consider myself still a newcomer to Camping. So I am missing a lot of the background on Camping (even though I have read quite a few materials, books, posts, videos, etc. about _why''s contributions. For me, I love Camping because: - it is small - the code is crazy clever and taught me a lot about things I did not know about Ruby metaprogramming - the MVC structure help me structure my thoughts and apps - it is very extensible once you figure out the extensibility points you need - creating all sorts of apps or services is really fun and enjoyable - you can build some decent size/complexity apps if you try (I don''t subscribe to the analogy about the "dark side" as I feel Camping is about freedom to build whatever you want) - you can either use it for play or for work (that tends to happen if you like it so much you want everything to be built with it. - it can capture your imagination in terms of what you could use it for (e.g. the fun/play/learn sandbox idea) Philippe (@techarch) PS -I have deployed apps on Heroku and will help with the deployment section of the book On 8/23/2010 3:05 AM, Jenna Fox wrote:> The camping website (new one) includes a link to a not-existant wiki page called ''Philosophy'', which was inherited from Judofyr''s version. I keep meaning to create this article, but I''m increasingly wondering... > > What do we all feel is Camping''s philosophy? > > My take: Camping is all about hacking and exploring and having fun, and certainly isn''t serious business. I think it''s also for newbies, including kids, because that''s what nearly all of _why''s projects were for. > > But that''s very past tense. I''m not sure anymore. What do you all see camping as being? What''s it''s purpose for you? > > > ? > Jenna > _______________________________________________ > Camping-list mailing list > Camping-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/camping-list/attachments/20100823/f9f01078/attachment.html>
My attitude towards using camping for serious business mostly stems from being burnt by rails. I practice coding as an extension of creativity, not as a job, and rails has enormous hosting costs for someone with no income. I initially started using camping as it could run well as a CGI script on the cheapest grungeist web hosts. Capitalistic forces have largely taken over the once gloriously creative practice of hacking, and turned it in to little more than data entry jobs, with all it''s best practices, unit tests, and all the rest. Camping to me is special because it''s all about creation, and not about fitting in to a certain task or "market". This is entirely self destructive though in the long term for businesses too, as tools which are unusable by the poor are tools which are unusable in the future. Students don''t have software dollars. Though as an open source project we owe nothing to capitalism. We have no business propping up commerce. Rails is a great tool for building medium to large business applications and so my preference is that we entirely ignore that which drives ''marketed'' frameworks, and focus on what we''re really good at ? making fun awesome hacks, and teaching the next generations. Little doodads for the sake of themselves. Thoughts? :) ? Jenna / @Bluebie On 24/08/2010, at 11:47 AM, Philippe Monnet <ruby at monnet-usa.com> wrote:> I am not sure I can even try to get close to the "philosophy" as I consider myself still a newcomer to Camping. So I am missing a lot of the background on Camping (even though I have read quite a few materials, books, posts, videos, etc. about _why''s contributions. > > For me, I love Camping because: > ??? - it is small > ??? - the code is crazy clever and taught me a lot about things I did not know about Ruby metaprogramming > ???- the MVC structure help me structure my thoughts and apps > ???- it is very extensible once you figure out the extensibility points you need > ???- creating all sorts of apps or services is really fun and enjoyable > ???- you can build some decent size/complexity apps if you try (I don''t subscribe to the analogy about the "dark side" as I feel Camping is about freedom to build whatever you want) > ???- you can either use it for play or for work (that tends to happen if you like it so much you want everything to be built with it. > ???- it can capture your imagination in terms of what you could use it for (e.g. the fun/play/learn sandbox idea) > > Philippe (@techarch) > > PS -I have deployed apps on Heroku and will help with the deployment section of the book > ??? > > > On 8/23/2010 3:05 AM, Jenna Fox wrote: >> >> The camping website (new one) includes a link to a not-existant wiki page called ''Philosophy'', which was inherited from Judofyr''s version. I keep meaning to create this article, but I''m increasingly wondering... >> >> What do we all feel is Camping''s philosophy? >> >> My take: Camping is all about hacking and exploring and having fun, and certainly isn''t serious business. I think it''s also for newbies, including kids, because that''s what nearly all of _why''s projects were for. >> >> But that''s very past tense. I''m not sure anymore. What do you all see camping as being? What''s it''s purpose for you? >> >> >> ??? >> Jenna >> _______________________________________________ >> Camping-list mailing list >> Camping-list at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Camping-list mailing list > Camping-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/camping-list/attachments/20100824/319a5846/attachment.html>
Well it''s your prerogative to choose to only use it only for creative purposes. I enjoy that too ;-) But we''re all free to use Camping as we see fit - there is no right or wrong way. So I feel that inclusion and freedom to build anything is maybe part of my view of the "philosophy". I wonder how Yoda would put this in his own word ... :-) Philippe (@techarch) On 8/23/2010 8:27 PM, Bluebie wrote:> My attitude towards using camping for serious business mostly stems > from being burnt by rails. I practice coding as an extension of > creativity, not as a job, and rails has enormous hosting costs for > someone with no income. I initially started using camping as it could > run well as a CGI script on the cheapest grungeist web hosts. > > Capitalistic forces have largely taken over the once gloriously > creative practice of hacking, and turned it in to little more than > data entry jobs, with all it''s best practices, unit tests, and all the > rest. Camping to me is special because it''s all about creation, and > not about fitting in to a certain task or "market". This is entirely > self destructive though in the long term for businesses too, as tools > which are unusable by the poor are tools which are unusable in the > future. Students don''t have software dollars. Though as an open source > project we owe nothing to capitalism. We have no business propping up > commerce. > > Rails is a great tool for building medium to large business > applications and so my preference is that we entirely ignore that > which drives ''marketed'' frameworks, and focus on what we''re really > good at ? making fun awesome hacks, and teaching the next generations. > Little doodads for the sake of themselves. Thoughts? :) > > ? > Jenna / @Bluebie > > On 24/08/2010, at 11:47 AM, Philippe Monnet <ruby at monnet-usa.com > <mailto:ruby at monnet-usa.com>> wrote: > >> I am not sure I can even try to get close to the "philosophy" as I >> consider myself still a newcomer to Camping. So I am missing a lot of >> the background on Camping (even though I have read quite a few >> materials, books, posts, videos, etc. about _why''s contributions. >> >> For me, I love Camping because: >> ??? - it is small >> ??? - the code is crazy clever and taught me a lot about things I did >> not know about Ruby metaprogramming >> ???- the MVC structure help me structure my thoughts and apps >> ???- it is very extensible once you figure out the extensibility >> points you need >> ???- creating all sorts of apps or services is really fun and enjoyable >> ???- you can build some decent size/complexity apps if you try (I >> don''t subscribe to the analogy about the "dark side" as I feel >> Camping is about freedom to build whatever you want) >> ???- you can either use it for play or for work (that tends to happen >> if you like it so much you want everything to be built with it. >> ???- it can capture your imagination in terms of what you could use >> it for (e.g. the fun/play/learn sandbox idea) >> >> Philippe (@techarch) >> >> PS -I have deployed apps on Heroku and will help with the deployment >> section of the book >> ??? >> >> >> On 8/23/2010 3:05 AM, Jenna Fox wrote: >>> The camping website (new one) includes a link to a not-existant wiki page called ''Philosophy'', which was inherited from Judofyr''s version. I keep meaning to create this article, but I''m increasingly wondering... >>> >>> What do we all feel is Camping''s philosophy? >>> >>> My take: Camping is all about hacking and exploring and having fun, and certainly isn''t serious business. I think it''s also for newbies, including kids, because that''s what nearly all of _why''s projects were for. >>> >>> But that''s very past tense. I''m not sure anymore. What do you all see camping as being? What''s it''s purpose for you? >>> >>> >>> ??? >>> Jenna >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Camping-list mailing list >>> Camping-list at rubyforge.org <mailto:Camping-list at rubyforge.org> >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Camping-list mailing list >> Camping-list at rubyforge.org <mailto:Camping-list at rubyforge.org> >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Camping-list mailing list > Camping-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/camping-list/attachments/20100823/47326655/attachment.html>
http://github.com/camping/camping/wiki/Philosophy Whatcha guys think? ? Jenna
Is ruby like emo? -the littlest stooge On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 9:26 PM, Jenna Fox <a at creativepony.com> wrote:> http://github.com/camping/camping/wiki/Philosophy > > Whatcha guys think? > > ? > Jenna > _______________________________________________ > Camping-list mailing list > Camping-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/camping-list/attachments/20100823/c0142fc3/attachment-0001.html>
Does anyone still around retain administrator controls over this mailing list? On 24/08/2010, at 3:07 PM, Angel Robert Marquez wrote:> Is ruby like emo? > > -the littlest stooge > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 9:26 PM, Jenna Fox <a at creativepony.com> wrote: > http://github.com/camping/camping/wiki/Philosophy > > Whatcha guys think? > > ? > Jenna > _______________________________________________ > Camping-list mailing list > Camping-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list > > _______________________________________________ > Camping-list mailing list > Camping-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/camping-list/attachments/20100824/ed297627/attachment.html>
You should put that into your philosophy statement sweet heart, On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Jenna Fox <a at creativepony.com> wrote:> Does anyone still around retain administrator controls over this mailing > list? > > > On 24/08/2010, at 3:07 PM, Angel Robert Marquez wrote: > > Is ruby like emo? > > -the littlest stooge > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 9:26 PM, Jenna Fox <a at creativepony.com> wrote: > >> http://github.com/camping/camping/wiki/Philosophy >> >> Whatcha guys think? >> >> ? >> Jenna >> _______________________________________________ >> Camping-list mailing list >> Camping-list at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Camping-list mailing list > Camping-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Camping-list mailing list > Camping-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/camping-list/attachments/20100823/bed22a86/attachment.html>
I cite _why, the entirely irrelevant man who we suppose to have started this whole sordid affair: 20:11 <goalie> can camping do e-commerce? 20:11 <_why> no, use rails 20:11 <RangerCliff> heh wtf? 20:13 <goalie> it''s just a small store, we only have two products 20:13 <goalie> root beer lip balm and cream soda lip balm 20:13 * _why contemplates 20:14 <goalie> mail-order only 20:14 <_why> now you''re talking!! Here''s where I should write something about morals and us both being right and all that, but, well, I guess you''re right. Go, e-commerce the universe! Run wild and free on the starlit campgrounds, selling your doodads and trinkets! So long as they''re mail-order only. ? Jenna On 24/08/2010, at 1:11 PM, Philippe Monnet wrote:> Well it''s your prerogative to choose to only use it only for creative purposes. I enjoy that too ;-) > But we''re all free to use Camping as we see fit - there is no right or wrong way. > So I feel that inclusion and freedom to build anything is maybe part of my view of the "philosophy". > I wonder how Yoda would put this in his own word ... :-) > > Philippe (@techarch) > > On 8/23/2010 8:27 PM, Bluebie wrote: >> >> My attitude towards using camping for serious business mostly stems from being burnt by rails. I practice coding as an extension of creativity, not as a job, and rails has enormous hosting costs for someone with no income. I initially started using camping as it could run well as a CGI script on the cheapest grungeist web hosts. >> >> Capitalistic forces have largely taken over the once gloriously creative practice of hacking, and turned it in to little more than data entry jobs, with all it''s best practices, unit tests, and all the rest. Camping to me is special because it''s all about creation, and not about fitting in to a certain task or "market". This is entirely self destructive though in the long term for businesses too, as tools which are unusable by the poor are tools which are unusable in the future. Students don''t have software dollars. Though as an open source project we owe nothing to capitalism. We have no business propping up commerce. >> >> Rails is a great tool for building medium to large business applications and so my preference is that we entirely ignore that which drives ''marketed'' frameworks, and focus on what we''re really good at ? making fun awesome hacks, and teaching the next generations. Little doodads for the sake of themselves. Thoughts? :) >> >> ? >> Jenna / @Bluebie >> >> On 24/08/2010, at 11:47 AM, Philippe Monnet <ruby at monnet-usa.com> wrote: >> >>> I am not sure I can even try to get close to the "philosophy" as I consider myself still a newcomer to Camping. So I am missing a lot of the background on Camping (even though I have read quite a few materials, books, posts, videos, etc. about _why''s contributions. >>> >>> For me, I love Camping because: >>> ??? - it is small >>> ??? - the code is crazy clever and taught me a lot about things I did not know about Ruby metaprogramming >>> ???- the MVC structure help me structure my thoughts and apps >>> ???- it is very extensible once you figure out the extensibility points you need >>> ???- creating all sorts of apps or services is really fun and enjoyable >>> ???- you can build some decent size/complexity apps if you try (I don''t subscribe to the analogy about the "dark side" as I feel Camping is about freedom to build whatever you want) >>> ???- you can either use it for play or for work (that tends to happen if you like it so much you want everything to be built with it. >>> ???- it can capture your imagination in terms of what you could use it for (e.g. the fun/play/learn sandbox idea) >>> >>> Philippe (@techarch) >>> >>> PS -I have deployed apps on Heroku and will help with the deployment section of the book >>> ??? >>> >>> >>> On 8/23/2010 3:05 AM, Jenna Fox wrote: >>>> >>>> The camping website (new one) includes a link to a not-existant wiki page called ''Philosophy'', which was inherited from Judofyr''s version. I keep meaning to create this article, but I''m increasingly wondering... >>>> >>>> What do we all feel is Camping''s philosophy? >>>> >>>> My take: Camping is all about hacking and exploring and having fun, and certainly isn''t serious business. I think it''s also for newbies, including kids, because that''s what nearly all of _why''s projects were for. >>>> >>>> But that''s very past tense. I''m not sure anymore. What do you all see camping as being? 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The Wikipedia article on Camping: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camping_(microframework) has a warning at the top asking for more independent sources on Camping. Can you please add any books or articles (not by _Why) that mention Camping (post-1.5), or web articles that - say - survey microframeworks in general to this thread? Or just add them to the Wikipedia article. As a guide, apparently (for Wikipedia) Merb seems to have enough references: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merb There''s also this Wikipedia framework comparison page that had Camping at 1.5 (I just edited to 2.1) : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_application_frameworks Dave Everitt
Fine with me. I''d like the idea of collating and condensing our statements about it, and putting them somewhere too. I might do that - Dave> http://github.com/camping/camping/wiki/Philosophy > > Whatcha guys think?
@Jenna: love the bit about ''children had no good way to make their own eBay competitors'' :-)>> 2. encourages experimentation with a low entry threshold, > Did you find the extremely high level of fun interesting obscure > ruby hacks to be offputting at first? I did.I''d been using Ruby and Perl for awhile, so I just found out how to make things do what I wanted (then spent loads of time on the Markaby and CSS :-)>> 3. can also handle serious web development, > Yup, so long as you don''t let anyone know you''ve turned to the dark > side.I have a spare soul for the dark side to purchase, but it still has firm ethics.>> 4. doesn''t take itself too seriously. > Sometimes I wonder about that one, but the spirit of rebellion > against serious business still seems strong. ^_^I see it more as a spirit of experimentation and a deliberate (cartoon) foxing around to one side of the boring everyday, but yes, _Why''s surreal humour got me into Ruby in the first place (although *none* of the 7 students I introduced to the Poignant Guide got it at all, although one did buy Chris Pine''s book) and from there...>> The missing part in the tutorial for me is deployment. I have yet >> to deploy anything public! But that''s anther post. > Hope this helps: http://camping.creativepony.com/Book:-Publishing- > an-App :)Yes, it does - thanks, that''s great! Now I''ve just got to set up our VPS accordingly (and document the process as simply as possible)... I might also have a go at adding details for Heroku (tried out Sinatra on it, worked fine) for my ''Oracle of everyday things'' Camping project. Unless someone else writes it up first.> Anyone have experience with Heroku or jRuby + App Engine want to > fill in the blanks?@Aria: ''edge-of-zany'' - definitely. Or at least, off the beaten path. BTW Nice vegan recipes! With Jenna, Seems Camping might be the framework of choice for vegans (or, like me, totally-lactose- intolerant vegetarians)... Dave E.
I hope _why is OK, I don''t care if he wants to change his career but it would be nice if I were to know that nothing bad happened to him (Gone camping?) Give us a sign :) On 24 August 2010 14:29, Dave Everitt <deveritt at innotts.co.uk> wrote:> @Jenna: love the bit about ''children had no good way to make their own eBay > competitors'' :-) > >>> 2. encourages experimentation with a low entry threshold, >> >> Did you find the extremely high level of fun interesting obscure ruby >> hacks to be offputting at first? I did. > > I''d been using Ruby and Perl for awhile, so I just found out how to make > things do what I wanted (then spent loads of time on the Markaby and CSS :-) > >>> 3. can also handle serious web development, >> >> Yup, so long as you don''t let anyone know you''ve turned to the dark side. > > I have a spare soul for the dark side to purchase, but it still has firm > ethics. > >>> 4. doesn''t take itself too seriously. >> >> Sometimes I wonder about that one, but the spirit of rebellion against >> serious business still seems strong. ^_^ > > I see it more as a spirit of experimentation and a deliberate (cartoon) > foxing around to one side of the boring everyday, but yes, _Why''s surreal > humour got me into Ruby in the first place (although *none* of the 7 > students I introduced to the Poignant Guide got it at all, although one did > buy Chris Pine''s book) and from there... > >>> The missing part in the tutorial for me is deployment. I have yet to >>> deploy anything public! But that''s anther post. >> >> Hope this helps: http://camping.creativepony.com/Book:-Publishing-an-App >> :) > > Yes, it does - thanks, that''s great! Now I''ve just got to set up our VPS > accordingly (and document the process as simply as possible)... I might also > have a go at adding details for Heroku (tried out Sinatra on it, worked > fine) for my ''Oracle of everyday things'' Camping project. Unless someone > else writes it up first. > >> Anyone have experience with Heroku or jRuby + App Engine want to fill in >> the blanks? > > @Aria: ''edge-of-zany'' - definitely. Or at least, off the beaten path. BTW > Nice vegan recipes! With Jenna, Seems Camping might be the framework of > choice for vegans (or, like me, totally-lactose-intolerant vegetarians)... > > Dave E. > > _______________________________________________ > Camping-list mailing list > Camping-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list >
The organizers of RubyConf said that he''s okay.
OK is good enough for me Thanks On 24 August 2010 14:59, Steve Klabnik <steve at steveklabnik.com> wrote:> The organizers of RubyConf said that he''s okay. > _______________________________________________ > Camping-list mailing list > Camping-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list >
Yeah Peter. Don''t worry about it. He said he''d spend five years working on bringing coding to kids, and by my best approximation, he did that. Now he''s done. He has a family, a life, and seems he probably has children too. The intensity with which he worked on ruby projects was never sustainable. I expect his priorities simply shifted to other things. Really though, he''s just a man. A man who brought us many great things, sure, but still a man. The important thing is that we take note of the wonderment created in his wake, and continue to create things of equivalent or greater value. It''s our job to push ruby forward now. It''s our job to push computing forward. ? Jenna On 24/08/2010, at 10:32 PM, Peter Retief wrote:> I hope _why is OK, I don''t care if he wants to change his career but > it would be nice if I were to know that nothing bad happened to him > (Gone camping?) > Give us a sign :) > > On 24 August 2010 14:29, Dave Everitt <deveritt at innotts.co.uk> wrote: >> @Jenna: love the bit about ''children had no good way to make their own eBay >> competitors'' :-) >> >>>> 2. encourages experimentation with a low entry threshold, >>> >>> Did you find the extremely high level of fun interesting obscure ruby >>> hacks to be offputting at first? I did. >> >> I''d been using Ruby and Perl for awhile, so I just found out how to make >> things do what I wanted (then spent loads of time on the Markaby and CSS :-) >> >>>> 3. can also handle serious web development, >>> >>> Yup, so long as you don''t let anyone know you''ve turned to the dark side. >> >> I have a spare soul for the dark side to purchase, but it still has firm >> ethics. >> >>>> 4. doesn''t take itself too seriously. >>> >>> Sometimes I wonder about that one, but the spirit of rebellion against >>> serious business still seems strong. ^_^ >> >> I see it more as a spirit of experimentation and a deliberate (cartoon) >> foxing around to one side of the boring everyday, but yes, _Why''s surreal >> humour got me into Ruby in the first place (although *none* of the 7 >> students I introduced to the Poignant Guide got it at all, although one did >> buy Chris Pine''s book) and from there... >> >>>> The missing part in the tutorial for me is deployment. I have yet to >>>> deploy anything public! But that''s anther post. >>> >>> Hope this helps: http://camping.creativepony.com/Book:-Publishing-an-App >>> :) >> >> Yes, it does - thanks, that''s great! Now I''ve just got to set up our VPS >> accordingly (and document the process as simply as possible)... I might also >> have a go at adding details for Heroku (tried out Sinatra on it, worked >> fine) for my ''Oracle of everyday things'' Camping project. Unless someone >> else writes it up first. >> >>> Anyone have experience with Heroku or jRuby + App Engine want to fill in >>> the blanks? >> >> @Aria: ''edge-of-zany'' - definitely. Or at least, off the beaten path. BTW >> Nice vegan recipes! With Jenna, Seems Camping might be the framework of >> choice for vegans (or, like me, totally-lactose-intolerant vegetarians)... >> >> Dave E. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Camping-list mailing list >> Camping-list at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list >> > _______________________________________________ > Camping-list mailing list > Camping-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list
well said On 24 August 2010 15:29, Jenna Fox <a at creativepony.com> wrote:> Yeah Peter. Don''t worry about it. He said he''d spend five years working on bringing coding to kids, and by my best approximation, he did that. Now he''s done. He has a family, a life, and seems he probably has children too. The intensity with which he worked on ruby projects was never sustainable. I expect his priorities simply shifted to other things. > > Really though, he''s just a man. A man who brought us many great things, sure, but still a man. The important thing is that we take note of the wonderment created in his wake, and continue to create things of equivalent or greater value. It''s our job to push ruby forward now. > > It''s our job to push computing forward. > > ? > Jenna > > On 24/08/2010, at 10:32 PM, Peter Retief wrote: > >> I hope _why is OK, I don''t care if he wants to change his career but >> it would be nice if I were to know that nothing bad happened to him >> (Gone camping?) >> Give us a sign :) >> >> On 24 August 2010 14:29, Dave Everitt <deveritt at innotts.co.uk> wrote: >>> @Jenna: love the bit about ''children had no good way to make their own eBay >>> competitors'' :-) >>> >>>>> 2. encourages experimentation with a low entry threshold, >>>> >>>> Did you find the extremely high level of fun interesting obscure ruby >>>> hacks to be offputting at first? I did. >>> >>> I''d been using Ruby and Perl for awhile, so I just found out how to make >>> things do what I wanted (then spent loads of time on the Markaby and CSS :-) >>> >>>>> 3. can also handle serious web development, >>>> >>>> Yup, so long as you don''t let anyone know you''ve turned to the dark side. >>> >>> I have a spare soul for the dark side to purchase, but it still has firm >>> ethics. >>> >>>>> 4. doesn''t take itself too seriously. >>>> >>>> Sometimes I wonder about that one, but the spirit of rebellion against >>>> serious business still seems strong. ^_^ >>> >>> I see it more as a spirit of experimentation and a deliberate (cartoon) >>> foxing around to one side of the boring everyday, but yes, _Why''s surreal >>> humour got me into Ruby in the first place (although *none* of the 7 >>> students I introduced to the Poignant Guide got it at all, although one did >>> buy Chris Pine''s book) and from there... >>> >>>>> The missing part in the tutorial for me is deployment. I have yet to >>>>> deploy anything public! But that''s anther post. >>>> >>>> Hope this helps: http://camping.creativepony.com/Book:-Publishing-an-App >>>> :) >>> >>> Yes, it does - thanks, that''s great! Now I''ve just got to set up our VPS >>> accordingly (and document the process as simply as possible)... I might also >>> have a go at adding details for Heroku (tried out Sinatra on it, worked >>> fine) for my ''Oracle of everyday things'' Camping project. Unless someone >>> else writes it up first. >>> >>>> Anyone have experience with Heroku or jRuby + App Engine want to fill in >>>> the blanks? >>> >>> @Aria: ''edge-of-zany'' - definitely. Or at least, off the beaten path. BTW >>> Nice vegan recipes! With Jenna, Seems Camping might be the framework of >>> choice for vegans (or, like me, totally-lactose-intolerant vegetarians)... >>> >>> Dave E. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Camping-list mailing list >>> Camping-list at rubyforge.org >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Camping-list mailing list >> Camping-list at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list > > _______________________________________________ > Camping-list mailing list > Camping-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list >