Hey everybody,
Let''s see:
* git clone git://github.com/why/camping
* rake docs
* (or just visit http://stuff.judofyr.net/camping-docs/)
* It''s just a RDoc template/formatter
* It should build with regular RDoc (see rake rubygems_docs or
http://stuff.judofyr.net/camping-docs/camping-1.9.335/rdoc/).
* but it looks way better with flipbook.rb
* It requires RDoc 2.4 (gem install rdoc)
* It allows linking: {long name}[link:book/01_introduction.html#installation]
* The book is pretty much empty.
* The reference need to be much shorter and concise. Should move stuff
into the book.
* There should probably be better separation of classes in the
reference (what alternate background colors?).
* and I should merge rick''s changes.
* I should stop writing in lists.
This is what *I* really want in the book, I guess you have :
1. Introduction
2. Getting Started (goes through MVC + Camping)
3. Understanding HTTP (more in depth about HTTP/REST)
4. Understanding Rack
5. Hacking Camping
6. Appendix: Upgrading from 1.5 to 2.0
Of course, we only need 1, 2 and 6 in 2.0. The rest can come later.
Oh, and by "book", I simply mean a multi-page tutorial :-)
//Magnus Holm
Just in case anyone comes to visit and doesn''t realise Camping has it''s own repo at Github (the chosen option in this thread, thanks to Magnus) here''s the URL: http://github.com/camping/camping/ To promote Camping (e.g. I just mailed ruby-toolbox.com to suggest adding it), I usually point people to the above, to the online docs below, and to the mailing list. But it would be worth putting up a ''where is all the definitive updated Camping 1.9-soon-to-be-2.0 stuff'' post to the list at some point - e.g. does Magnus want to continue hosting online docs at: http://stuff.judofyr.net/camping-docs/camping-1.9.335/rdoc/ or could they be elsewhere? And which of the many, many finds out there when you search e.g. ''Camping Ruby'' are 1.9/2.0 relevant? Etc. Ummm [thinks]... rubycamping.com, campingruby.com, campingframework.com or (my favourite) camping3k.com/org/net are all available... Dave Everitt
2009/9/13 Dave Everitt <deveritt at innotts.co.uk>:> or could they be elsewhere? And which of the many, many finds out there when > you search e.g. ''Camping Ruby'' are 1.9/2.0 relevant? Etc. Ummm [thinks]... > rubycamping.com, campingruby.com, campingframework.com or (my favourite) > camping3k.com/org/net are all available...whywentcamping.com
Nice alternative... all that''s needed is a chosen domain, a friendly host and to share out the webmastering :-) With a little commitment from a couple of people, I''d provide the hosting and domain.>> or could they be elsewhere? And which of the many, many finds out >> there when >> you search e.g. ''Camping Ruby'' are 1.9/2.0 relevant? Etc. Ummm >> [thinks]... >> rubycamping.com, campingruby.com, campingframework.com or (my >> favourite) >> camping3k.com/org/net are all available... > > whywentcamping.com
I''m new to Camping (played around with some small apps, but nothing impressive), but I''d be more than happy to be webmaster. If I could get someone to work with, that''d be even better, of course. On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:48 AM, Dave Everitt <deveritt at innotts.co.uk> wrote:> Nice alternative... all that''s needed is a chosen domain, a friendly host > and to share out the webmastering :-) > > With a little commitment from a couple of people, I''d provide the hosting > and domain. >-- Matthew Bunday
Hi Matt - great, that''s a start. One more person and we''re there! - Dave> I''m new to Camping (played around with some small apps, but nothing > impressive), but I''d be more than happy to be webmaster. If I could > get someone to work with, that''d be even better, of course. > >> Nice alternative... all that''s needed is a chosen domain, a >> friendly host >> and to share out the webmastering :-) >> >> With a little commitment from a couple of people, I''d provide the >> hosting >> and domain.
Awesome suggestion, but we let''s not forget that camping.rubyforge.org has served us well :-) //Magnus Holm On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 17:18, Matt Zukowski <matt at roughest.net> wrote:> I second the whywentcamping.com domain. > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Dave Everitt <deveritt at innotts.co.uk> > wrote: >> >> Hi Matt - great, that''s a start. One more person and we''re there! - Dave >> >>> I''m new to Camping (played around with some small apps, but nothing >>> impressive), but I''d be more than happy to be webmaster. If I could >>> get someone to work with, that''d be even better, of course. >>> >>>> Nice alternative... all that''s needed is a chosen domain, a friendly >>>> host >>>> and to share out the webmastering :-) >>>> >>>> With a little commitment from a couple of people, I''d provide the >>>> hosting >>>> and domain. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Camping-list mailing list >> Camping-list at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Camping-list mailing list > Camping-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list >
Agreed, but ideally it would be great to have it updated as the dead links (redhanded.hobix.com, code.whytheluckystiff.net etc.) give the impression that Camping is neglected (also with the CHANGELOG frozen at 1.5 in 2006), and that''s a bit sad for such a nice little framework! Perhaps the community could list and collate the necessary changes/updates on each page, then updating could be shared (I''d be more than willing to do updates)? An external website would be an extra to collect links and provide an overview, with - say - where get Camping, recent examples from the community, how-to guides (or links and previews), etc. all in one SEO- optimised place. Also, Camping does have some advantages over - say - Sinatra (one being that Sintra needs a reload with each code update) - these aren''t immediately apparent unless pointed out. A few of the best Ruby Micro-frameworks deserve a fair hearing, and Camping isn''t getting all the web presence it deserves - that''s what motivates me! - Dave Everitt> Awesome suggestion, but we let''s not forget that > camping.rubyforge.org has served us well :-) > //Magnus Holm > >> I second the whywentcamping.com domain. >> >>> Dave: great, that''s a start. One more person and we''re there! >>> >>>> Matt: I''m new to Camping (played around with some small apps, >>>> but nothing impressive), but I''d be more than happy to be >>>> webmaster. If I could get someone to work with, that''d be even >>>> better, of course. >>>> >>>>> Dave: Nice alternative... all that''s needed is a chosen domain, >>>>> a friendly host and to share out the webmastering :-) With a >>>>> little commitment from a couple of people, I''d provide the >>>>> hosting and domain.
On 18 Oct 2009, at 12:03, Dave Everitt wrote:> Perhaps the community could list and collate the necessary changes/ > updates on each page, then updating could be shared (I''d be more > than willing to do updates)?A new site shared over githubz would be nice. -- Julik Tarkhanov me at julik.nl
I like the idea of updating the rubyforge site, but having a main
site to publicize Camping would be a nice addition and would have
the benefit of being easier for people to find or remember (especially
if they are new to Ruby). I really like:
* rubycamping.com
* campingframework.com
Here is an additional suggestion: rubyoncamping.com (like ROR).
The new site could act as a portal for everything Camping, such as news,
rotating features on sites using Camping, code snippets, etc.
Philippe
Dave Everitt wrote:> Agreed, but ideally it would be great to have it updated as the dead
> links (redhanded.hobix.com, code.whytheluckystiff.net etc.) give the
> impression that Camping is neglected (also with the CHANGELOG frozen
> at 1.5 in 2006), and that''s a bit sad for such a nice little
> framework! Perhaps the community could list and collate the necessary
> changes/updates on each page, then updating could be shared (I''d
be
> more than willing to do updates)?
>
> An external website would be an extra to collect links and provide an
> overview, with - say - where get Camping, recent examples from the
> community, how-to guides (or links and previews), etc. all in one
> SEO-optimised place. Also, Camping does have some advantages over -
> say - Sinatra (one being that Sintra needs a reload with each code
> update) - these aren''t immediately apparent unless pointed out. A
few
> of the best Ruby Micro-frameworks deserve a fair hearing, and Camping
> isn''t getting all the web presence it deserves - that''s
what motivates
> me!
>
> - Dave Everitt
>
>> Awesome suggestion, but we let''s not forget that
>> camping.rubyforge.org has served us well :-)
>> //Magnus Holm
>>
>>> I second the whywentcamping.com domain.
>>>
>>>> Dave: great, that''s a start. One more person and
we''re there!
>>>>
>>>>> Matt: I''m new to Camping (played around with some
small apps, but
>>>>> nothing impressive), but I''d be more than happy to
be webmaster.
>>>>> If I could get someone to work with, that''d be
even better, of
>>>>> course.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave: Nice alternative... all that''s needed is
a chosen domain, a
>>>>>> friendly host and to share out the webmastering :-)
With a little
>>>>>> commitment from a couple of people, I''d
provide the hosting and
>>>>>> domain.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Camping-list mailing list
> Camping-list at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list
>
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@Philippe: Agreed - if Camping is going to get any mindshare it does need a portal one-stop site. BTW rubyoncamping - ROC (as in ''solid as a...'' :-? ) So... .com/org/net(all?) domain options (bearing in mind SEO- friendliness and availability) - [ ] = add a score out of 10: rubycamping.com [ ] campingframework.com [ ] rubyoncamping.com [ ] whywentcamping.com [ ] Domains cost around ?12 p.a., which I''m sure we can find between us. Hosting (I imagine with all the sysadmins and webmasters on this list ;-) is effectively free. @Julik:> A new site shared over githubz would be niceYou''ll have heard that _why''s inheritance already has a preservation plan (see ''Decentralization of _why''s Projects'' at http:// whymirror.github.com) - there''s a lot of [planning|thinking|reporting on what''s happening] there, and Magnus is already part-time ''scoutmaster'' for Camping at http://github.com/camping/camping ... or did you mean something other? - Dave> I like the idea of updating the rubyforge site, but having a > main site to publicize Camping would be a nice addition and > would have the benefit of being easier for people to find or > remember (especially if they are new to Ruby). I really like: > rubycamping.com > campingframework.com > Here is an additional suggestion: rubyoncamping.com (like ROR). > The new site could act as a portal for everything Camping, such as > news, rotating features on sites using Camping, code snippets, etc. > > Philippe > > Dave Everitt wrote: >> >> Agreed, but ideally it would be great to have it updated as the >> dead links (redhanded.hobix.com, code.whytheluckystiff.net etc.) >> give the impression that Camping is neglected (also with the >> CHANGELOG frozen at 1.5 in 2006), and that''s a bit sad for such a >> nice little framework! Perhaps the community could list and >> collate the necessary changes/updates on each page, then updating >> could be shared (I''d be more than willing to do updates)? >> >> An external website would be an extra to collect links and provide >> an overview, with - say - where get Camping, recent examples from >> the community, how-to guides (or links and previews), etc. all in >> one SEO-optimised place. Also, Camping does have some advantages >> over - say - Sinatra (one being that Sintra needs a reload with >> each code update) - these aren''t immediately apparent unless >> pointed out. A few of the best Ruby Micro-frameworks deserve a >> fair hearing, and Camping isn''t getting all the web presence it >> deserves - that''s what motivates me! >> >> - Dave Everitt
Another for whywentcamping.com We shouldn''t try and make ourselves look like ROR, Camping is it''s own crazy system. Christian Carter 612.327.5292 On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 3:53 PM, zimbatm <zimbatm at oree.ch> wrote:> +1 for whywentcamping.com > _______________________________________________ > Camping-list mailing list > Camping-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/camping-list/attachments/20091018/237c8055/attachment.html>
I need to know if _why is OK, I need a sign? 2009/10/18 zimbatm <zimbatm at oree.ch>:> +1 for whywentcamping.com > _______________________________________________ > Camping-list mailing list > Camping-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list >
I also like whywentcamping.com :) As for a sign, do not fret, for he is at a better place now, where there are plentiful tasty chickpea burgers, and friends and family. He just needed to not be _why for a while. We don''t know how long, or for what reason, but he is certainly fine. :) http://twitter.com/cloudeight/status/3480155399 On 19/10/2009, at 7:11 AM, Peter Retief wrote:> I need to know if _why is OK, I need a sign? > > 2009/10/18 zimbatm <zimbatm at oree.ch>: >> +1 for whywentcamping.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Camping-list mailing list >> Camping-list at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list >> > _______________________________________________ > Camping-list mailing list > Camping-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list
On Oct 18, 2009, at 2:56 PM, Jenna Fox wrote:> I also like whywentcamping.com :)+1!
rubycamping.com [9] campingframework.com [2] rubyoncamping.com [10] whywentcamping.com [1] (cute but I wonder if people may skip the site link by thinking it has nothing to do with Ruby) I feel that having the word Ruby in the name would be good for SEO and more likely to incite people not familiar with Camping to click on a link due to the association with Ruby. Dave Everitt wrote:> @Philippe: > Agreed - if Camping is going to get any mindshare it does need a > portal one-stop site. > BTW rubyoncamping - ROC (as in ''solid as a...'' :-? ) > > So... .com/org/net(all?) domain options (bearing in mind > SEO-friendliness and availability) - [ ] = add a score out of 10: > rubycamping.com [ ] > campingframework.com [ ] > rubyoncamping.com [ ] > whywentcamping.com [ ] > > Domains cost around ?12 p.a., which I''m sure we can find between us. > Hosting (I imagine with all the sysadmins and webmasters on this list > ;-) is effectively free. > > @Julik: >> A new site shared over githubz would be nice > You''ll have heard that _why''s inheritance already has a preservation > plan (see ''Decentralization of _why''s Projects'' at > http://whymirror.github.com) - there''s a lot of > [planning|thinking|reporting on what''s happening] there, and Magnus is > already part-time ''scoutmaster'' for Camping at > http://github.com/camping/camping ... or did you mean something other? > > - Dave > >> I like the idea of updating the rubyforge site, but having a main >> site to publicize Camping would be a nice addition and would >> have the benefit of being easier for people to find or remember >> (especially if they are new to Ruby). I really like: >> rubycamping.com >> campingframework.com >> Here is an additional suggestion: rubyoncamping.com (like ROR). >> The new site could act as a portal for everything Camping, such as >> news, rotating features on sites using Camping, code snippets, etc. >> >> Philippe >> >> Dave Everitt wrote: >>> >>> Agreed, but ideally it would be great to have it updated as the dead >>> links (redhanded.hobix.com, code.whytheluckystiff.net etc.) give the >>> impression that Camping is neglected (also with the CHANGELOG frozen >>> at 1.5 in 2006), and that''s a bit sad for such a nice little >>> framework! Perhaps the community could list and collate the >>> necessary changes/updates on each page, then updating could be >>> shared (I''d be more than willing to do updates)? >>> >>> An external website would be an extra to collect links and provide >>> an overview, with - say - where get Camping, recent examples from >>> the community, how-to guides (or links and previews), etc. all in >>> one SEO-optimised place. Also, Camping does have some advantages >>> over - say - Sinatra (one being that Sintra needs a reload with each >>> code update) - these aren''t immediately apparent unless pointed out. >>> A few of the best Ruby Micro-frameworks deserve a fair hearing, and >>> Camping isn''t getting all the web presence it deserves - that''s what >>> motivates me! >>> >>> - Dave Everitt > > _______________________________________________ > Camping-list mailing list > Camping-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/camping-list/attachments/20091018/c363e89b/attachment-0001.html>
Below: collated results for a Camping domain name, have added my prefs and all others. Perhaps we can increment/decrement these scores from now on to get a final result ;-)> [Philippe]: I feel that having the word Ruby in the name would be > good for SEO and more likely to incite people not familiar with > Camping to click on a link due to the association with Ruby.agreed. ''rubycamping.com'' is available (as are the others, I *think*). Also agree with the need to distinguish Camping from RoR, so not so sure about ''rubyoncamping.com''? For SEO it''s common to have > 1 domain, with a primary one, so (say) ''ruby-camping-framework.com/ org/net'' might be a good buy to forward to the chosen domain. Since this isn''t a commercial site, I''d prefer .org/.net with the .com variation sitting there quietly - opinions?> rubycamping.com [9 +1] > campingframework.com [2 +1] > rubyoncamping.com [10 -1] > whywentcamping.com [1 +2] (cute but I wonder if people may skip the > site link by thinking it has nothing to do with Ruby)Dave PS I have to sleep now.
There is the option of whywentcaping.ru, though it is at a cost of $29.99 US. I don''t know, I really like those sorts of domains that use the [cc]TLD as a part of the name, though sadly, http:// whywentcampi.ng/ seems to already be taken (though unused... and.. nigerian..). I like .net and .org. :) On 19/10/2009, at 11:03 AM, Dave Everitt wrote:> Below: collated results for a Camping domain name, have added my > prefs and all others. Perhaps we can increment/decrement these > scores from now on to get a final result ;-) > >> [Philippe]: I feel that having the word Ruby in the name would be >> good for SEO and more likely to incite people not familiar with >> Camping to click on a link due to the association with Ruby. > > agreed. ''rubycamping.com'' is available (as are the others, I > *think*). Also agree with the need to distinguish Camping from RoR, > so not so sure about ''rubyoncamping.com''? For SEO it''s common to > have > 1 domain, with a primary one, so (say) ''ruby-camping- > framework.com/org/net'' might be a good buy to forward to the chosen > domain. Since this isn''t a commercial site, I''d prefer .org/.net > with the .com variation sitting there quietly - opinions? > >> rubycamping.com [9 +1] >> campingframework.com [2 +1] >> rubyoncamping.com [10 -1] >> whywentcamping.com [1 +2] (cute but I wonder if people may skip the >> site link by thinking it has nothing to do with Ruby) > > Dave > > PS I have to sleep now. > > _______________________________________________ > Camping-list mailing list > Camping-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list
nice idea with the .ru = Ruby, although still doubtful that ''why'' and ''went'' are good for SEO (BTW you did mean ''camping'', not ''caping'' didn''t you :-). I reckon: 2 domains, one obviously SEO-optimised (containing ''ruby, camping, framework''), forwarding to another memorable one we all like from the existing list (unless there''s a genius new suggestion). - Dave> whywentcaping.ru, though it is at a cost of $29.99
On 19 Oct 2009, at 14:27, Dave Everitt wrote:> nice idea with the .ru = Ruby, although still doubtful that ''why'' > and ''went'' are good for SEO (BTW you did mean ''camping'', not > ''caping'' didn''t you :-).Registering domains in Russia is a bit risky IMO. -- Julik Tarkhanov me at julik.nl
On Oct 19, 2009, at 6:27 AM, Dave Everitt wrote:> nice idea with the .ru = Ruby, although still doubtful that ''why'' > and ''went'' are good for SEO (BTW you did mean ''camping'', not > ''caping'' didn''t you :-). > > I reckon: 2 domains, one obviously SEO-optimised (containing ''ruby, > camping, framework''), forwarding to another memorable one we all > like from the existing list (unless there''s a genius new suggestion). >Or better, get good search engine results without gaming the system, and just get people to link to it -- go talk it up, blog it up, and write some awesome stuff and post it! I''ll certainly be linking to it from my blog. Aria Stewart aredridel at nbtsc.org
Yeah, and besides, camping is not a business, it is an open source project of much niftiness. We do not need SEO, it does in fact not especially effect us how many people use our framework, except that we have this wonderful tight knit little community at the moment which would be utterly obliterated by fame. See rubyonrails for details about why fame sucks. ? Jenna On 20/10/2009, at 7:18 AM, Aria Stewart wrote:> > On Oct 19, 2009, at 6:27 AM, Dave Everitt wrote: > >> nice idea with the .ru = Ruby, although still doubtful that ''why'' >> and ''went'' are good for SEO (BTW you did mean ''camping'', not >> ''caping'' didn''t you :-). >> >> I reckon: 2 domains, one obviously SEO-optimised (containing ''ruby, >> camping, framework''), forwarding to another memorable one we all >> like from the existing list (unless there''s a genius new suggestion). >> > > Or better, get good search engine results without gaming the system, > and just get people to link to it -- go talk it up, blog it up, and > write some awesome stuff and post it! I''ll certainly be linking to > it from my blog. > > Aria Stewart > aredridel at nbtsc.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Camping-list mailing list > Camping-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list
http://imgur.com/7gpQ4.png //Magnus Holm On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 22:44, Jenna Fox <blueberry at creativepony.com> wrote:> Yeah, and besides, camping is not a business, it is an open source project > of much niftiness. We do not need SEO, it does in fact not especially effect > us how many people use our framework, except that we have this wonderful > tight knit little community at the moment which would be utterly obliterated > by fame. See rubyonrails for details about why fame sucks. > > ? > Jenna > > > On 20/10/2009, at 7:18 AM, Aria Stewart wrote: > >> >> On Oct 19, 2009, at 6:27 AM, Dave Everitt wrote: >> >>> nice idea with the .ru = Ruby, although still doubtful that ''why'' and >>> ''went'' are good for SEO (BTW you did mean ''camping'', not ''caping'' didn''t you >>> :-). >>> >>> I reckon: 2 domains, one obviously SEO-optimised (containing ''ruby, >>> camping, framework''), forwarding to another memorable one we all like from >>> the existing list (unless there''s a genius new suggestion). >>> >> >> Or better, get good search engine results without gaming the system, and >> just get people to link to it -- go talk it up, blog it up, and write some >> awesome stuff and post it! I''ll certainly be linking to it from my blog. >> >> Aria Stewart >> aredridel at nbtsc.org >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Camping-list mailing list >> Camping-list at rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list > > _______________________________________________ > Camping-list mailing list > Camping-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list >
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Julik Tarkhanov < julian.tarkhanov at gmail.com> wrote:> > On 19 Oct 2009, at 14:27, Dave Everitt wrote: > > nice idea with the .ru = Ruby, although still doubtful that ''why'' and >> ''went'' are good for SEO (BTW you did mean ''camping'', not ''caping'' didn''t you >> :-). >> > > > Registering domains in Russia is a bit risky IMO. >Out of (morbid) curiosity, what are the risks of registering a .ru domain? --beppu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/camping-list/attachments/20091019/43c7bb64/attachment.html>
In any case, I just secured whywentcamping.com. For now it redirects to camping.rubyforge.com
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 5:06 PM, John Beppu <john.beppu at gmail.com> wrote:> > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Julik Tarkhanov < > julian.tarkhanov at gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> On 19 Oct 2009, at 14:27, Dave Everitt wrote: >> >> nice idea with the .ru = Ruby, although still doubtful that ''why'' and >>> ''went'' are good for SEO (BTW you did mean ''camping'', not ''caping'' didn''t you >>> :-). >>> >> >> >> Registering domains in Russia is a bit risky IMO. >> > > Out of (morbid) curiosity, what are the risks of registering a .ru domain? > > --beppu > > A lot of spam filters automatically stick .ru domains as spam, and searchengines tend to avoid .ru as well. Christian Carter 612.327.5292 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/camping-list/attachments/20091019/16c96c41/attachment-0001.html>
Regarding SEO, isn''t it enough to have some links from the ruby community pointing to the camping homepage to have it on top-10 of "ruby camping" search results ?
Excellent news with the domain. :) I don''t understand why we should care about search positioning. The site exists to give us users information. How do these sorts of frameworks gain popularity? word of mouth. Our website doesn''t need to sell anything because more users is simply a burden from an administrative perspective. What motivation is there to be widely popular? Does one even exist or are people just assuming it''s the thing we''re supposed to do? On 20/10/2009, at 8:29 AM, zimbatm wrote:> In any case, I just secured whywentcamping.com. For now it redirects > to camping.rubyforge.com > _______________________________________________ > Camping-list mailing list > Camping-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/camping-list/attachments/20091020/015e93b3/attachment.html>
okay - which of the proposed domains works best for you? - Dave> Or better, get good search engine results without gaming the > system, and just get people to link to it -- go talk it up, blog it > up, and write some awesome stuff and post it! I''ll certainly be > linking to it from my blog.
> we have this wonderful tight knit little community at the moment > which would be utterly obliterated by fame. See rubyonrails for > details about why fame sucks.LOL! Good point! Magnus - great cartoon! More!! Okay, we don''t need SEO :-)> What motivation is there to be widely popular?> In any case, I just secured whywentcamping.com. For now it > redirects to camping.rubyforge.comThat''s the decision made, then - good. - Dave
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 3:59 AM, Dave Everitt <deveritt at innotts.co.uk> wrote:> > Okay, we don''t need SEO :-)Regardless, it''s not my impression that the domain name plays much role at all in Google''s algorithm. After all, domain squatters nearly never show up on the first page of results, despite that most of the squatted domains are seen as valuable keyword wise. To get good pagerank we just need inbound links, is all. -- Matthew Bunday
>> Okay, we don''t need SEO :-) > > Regardless, it''s not my impression that the domain name plays much > role at all in Google''s algorithm. After all, domain squatters > nearly never show up on the first page of results, despite that > most of the squatted domains are seen as valuable keyword wise. To > get good pagerank we just need inbound links, is all.keywords in the domain do help - I''m pretty sure spam is filtered by other means too - like hiding text, too much repetition, ''spam-like'' terms. As well as inbound links (which I reckon won''t be a problem), in my experience the best plan is to have well-constructed and machine-readable semantic markup with genuine and regularly-updated content. Since we now have a domain, maybe the topic''s over? Webmastering & hosting, anyone? I''m willing to pitch in. Dave
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Dave Everitt <deveritt at innotts.co.uk> wrote:> keywords in the domain do help - I''m pretty sure spam is filtered by other > means too - like hiding text, too much repetition, ''spam-like'' terms. As > well as inbound links (which I reckon won''t be a problem), in my experience > the best plan is to have well-constructed and machine-readable semantic > markup with genuine ?and regularly-updated content. > > Since we now have a domain, maybe the topic''s over? > > Webmastering & hosting, anyone? I''m willing to pitch in.Well, since I''ve already volunteered to webmaster, I could throw in an idle VPS too. If someone else wants to host, that would be even better, because I do rather like having a staging server. -- Matthew Bunday
My partnership has VPS Dallas (Ubuntu) and London (Debian) servers from Rimuhosting. We''re about to replace the former with a more updated system, so that could be an option, depending on where the most visitors are likely to come from. The London server has faster access for UK/European users - Dave>> Webmastering & hosting, anyone? I''m willing to pitch in. > > Well, since I''ve already volunteered to webmaster, I could throw in > an idle VPS too. If someone else wants to host, that would be even > better, because I do rather like having a staging server.
I really doubt we need something of that scale. A shared hosting account with passenger support would be fine and dandy for now. On 21/10/2009, at 8:08 AM, Dave Everitt wrote:> My partnership has VPS Dallas (Ubuntu) and London (Debian) servers > from Rimuhosting. We''re about to replace the former with a more > updated system, so that could be an option, depending on where the > most visitors are likely to come from. The London server has faster > access for UK/European users - Dave > >>> Webmastering & hosting, anyone? I''m willing to pitch in. >> >> Well, since I''ve already volunteered to webmaster, I could throw in >> an idle VPS too. If someone else wants to host, that would be even >> better, because I do rather like having a staging server. > > _______________________________________________ > Camping-list mailing list > Camping-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list
I was wondering how we can help with next steps? I keep seeing all the attention going to the Sinatra framework (and Rails of course) and would love to help more with promoting Camping. It would be great if one of our web designer / Camping friend could help create a catchy visual for the site. How about a night time view of a camp fire with a tent and maybe a small projector with a big silver screen where we could display rotating content / slides? Any other crazy concepts? Philippe On 10/18/2009 6:03 PM, Dave Everitt wrote:> Below: collated results for a Camping domain name, have added my prefs > and all others. Perhaps we can increment/decrement these scores from > now on to get a final result ;-) > >> [Philippe]: I feel that having the word Ruby in the name would be >> good for SEO and more likely to incite people not familiar with >> Camping to click on a link due to the association with Ruby. > > agreed. ''rubycamping.com'' is available (as are the others, I *think*). > Also agree with the need to distinguish Camping from RoR, so not so > sure about ''rubyoncamping.com''? For SEO it''s common to have > 1 > domain, with a primary one, so (say) > ''ruby-camping-framework.com/org/net'' might be a good buy to forward to > the chosen domain. Since this isn''t a commercial site, I''d prefer > .org/.net with the .com variation sitting there quietly - opinions? > >> rubycamping.com [9 +1] >> campingframework.com [2 +1] >> rubyoncamping.com [10 -1] >> whywentcamping.com [1 +2] (cute but I wonder if people may skip the >> site link by thinking it has nothing to do with Ruby) > > Dave > > PS I have to sleep now. > > _______________________________________________ > Camping-list mailing list > Camping-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/camping-list/attachments/20100321/d1718125/attachment-0001.html>
Hi Philippe I am one of those Camping friends (although I''ve been too busy with clients just lately to do much). Although I just posted links to your Camping ''add-ons'' to the wiki :-) I agree about Sinatra - from curiosity I''ve even dabbled with it myself (shame!), although it is nice that Camping still has a small community feel. Perhaps some _why-type cartoons (along the lines you suggest) might be the right way forward for a ''This is Camping'' website. Or just keep things clean and minimal. As for content, that was covered in another post to the list some time ago, as was a domain name. Magnus has the substance (tutorial, examples, etc.) and a nice CSS style for the blog example. Maybe start with a developed version of the Camping blog on Heroku (free) so we can each add Camping-related posts to keep things fresh? It''s just making enough time to put it all together... I''d be happy to chip in, but what''s the best way to build a whole site that uses Camping - a collection of apps and generated static pages? I once used Camping 1.5 (running as CGI) as an easy way to make a simple multipage wireframe mockup, but... Dave> I was wondering how we can help with next steps? > I keep seeing all the attention going to the Sinatra framework (and > Rails of course) and would love to help more with promoting > Camping. It would be great if one of our web designer / Camping > friend could help create a catchy visual for the site. How about a > night time view of a camp fire with a tent and maybe a small > projector with a big silver screen where we could display rotating > content / slides? Any other crazy concepts? > > Philippe
I like the idea of the site being built on Camping and combining mini-apps and static content all integrated with jQuery for example. I am currently running two Camping 2.0 apps on Heroku and they work great. Hosting on Heroku would be also be convenient because of the ability to add Git contributors and because of the ease of deployment. On 3/21/2010 3:58 PM, Dave Everitt wrote:> Hi Philippe > > I am one of those Camping friends (although I''ve been too busy with > clients just lately to do much). Although I just posted links to your > Camping ''add-ons'' to the wiki :-) > > I agree about Sinatra - from curiosity I''ve even dabbled with it > myself (shame!), although it is nice that Camping still has a small > community feel. Perhaps some _why-type cartoons (along the lines you > suggest) might be the right way forward for a ''This is Camping'' > website. Or just keep things clean and minimal. > > As for content, that was covered in another post to the list some time > ago, as was a domain name. Magnus has the substance (tutorial, > examples, etc.) and a nice CSS style for the blog example. Maybe start > with a developed version of the Camping blog on Heroku (free) so we > can each add Camping-related posts to keep things fresh? > > It''s just making enough time to put it all together... I''d be happy to > chip in, but what''s the best way to build a whole site that uses > Camping - a collection of apps and generated static pages? I once used > Camping 1.5 (running as CGI) as an easy way to make a simple multipage > wireframe mockup, but... > > Dave > >> I was wondering how we can help with next steps? >> I keep seeing all the attention going to the Sinatra framework (and >> Rails of course) and would love to help more with promoting Camping. >> It would be great if one of our web designer / Camping friend could >> help create a catchy visual for the site. How about a night time view >> of a camp fire with a tent and maybe a small projector with a big >> silver screen where we could display rotating content / slides? Any >> other crazy concepts? >> >> Philippe > > _______________________________________________ > Camping-list mailing list > Camping-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/camping-list/attachments/20100322/7578c845/attachment.html>
Indeed, but for now I think http://stuff.judofyr.net/camping-docs/ (or, the URL would actually be camping.rubyforge.org when released) would be enough. I think we''re pretty much ready for a release. If you''d like, I could mark HEAD as 2.0.rc1 and push it out to Gemcutter. Then you guys who have 2.0 apps could do a "gem install camping --pre" and make sure everything works. If everything seems fine we can release it :) // Magnus Holm On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 04:16, Philippe Monnet <ruby at monnet-usa.com> wrote:> I like the idea of the site being built on Camping and combining > mini-apps and static content all integrated with jQuery for example. I am > currently running two Camping 2.0 apps on Heroku and they work great. > Hosting on Heroku would be also be convenient because of the ability to add > Git contributors and because of the ease of deployment. > > > On 3/21/2010 3:58 PM, Dave Everitt wrote: > > Hi Philippe > > I am one of those Camping friends (although I''ve been too busy with clients > just lately to do much). Although I just posted links to your Camping > ''add-ons'' to the wiki :-) > > I agree about Sinatra - from curiosity I''ve even dabbled with it myself > (shame!), although it is nice that Camping still has a small community feel. > Perhaps some _why-type cartoons (along the lines you suggest) might be the > right way forward for a ''This is Camping'' website. Or just keep things clean > and minimal. > > As for content, that was covered in another post to the list some time ago, > as was a domain name. Magnus has the substance (tutorial, examples, etc.) > and a nice CSS style for the blog example. Maybe start with a developed > version of the Camping blog on Heroku (free) so we can each add > Camping-related posts to keep things fresh? > > It''s just making enough time to put it all together... I''d be happy to chip > in, but what''s the best way to build a whole site that uses Camping - a > collection of apps and generated static pages? I once used Camping 1.5 > (running as CGI) as an easy way to make a simple multipage wireframe mockup, > but... > > Dave > > I was wondering how we can help with next steps? > I keep seeing all the attention going to the Sinatra framework (and Rails > of course) and would love to help more with promoting Camping. It would be > great if one of our web designer / Camping friend could help create a catchy > visual for the site. How about a night time view of a camp fire with a tent > and maybe a small projector with a big silver screen where we could display > rotating content / slides? Any other crazy concepts? > > Philippe > > > _______________________________________________ > Camping-list mailing list > Camping-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Camping-list mailing list > Camping-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/camping-list/attachments/20100323/5241d233/attachment.html>
Having a new official release would be great especially since Sinatra published their 1.0 release yesterday. ;-) The new Rubyforge page would be nice but wouldn''t a more marketing-centric site help increase adoption? On 3/23/2010 9:58 AM, Magnus Holm wrote:> Indeed, but for now I think http://stuff.judofyr.net/camping-docs/ > (or, the URL would actually be camping.rubyforge.org > <http://camping.rubyforge.org> when released) would be enough. > > I think we''re pretty much ready for a release. If you''d like, I could > mark HEAD as 2.0.rc1 and push it out to Gemcutter. Then you guys who > have 2.0 apps could do a "gem install camping --pre" and make sure > everything works. If everything seems fine we can release it :) > > > // Magnus Holm > > > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 04:16, Philippe Monnet <ruby at monnet-usa.com > <mailto:ruby at monnet-usa.com>> wrote: > > I like the idea of the site being built on Camping and combining > mini-apps and static content all integrated with jQuery for > example. I am currently running two Camping 2.0 apps on Heroku and > they work great. Hosting on Heroku would be also be convenient > because of the ability to add Git contributors and because of the > ease of deployment. > > > On 3/21/2010 3:58 PM, Dave Everitt wrote: >> Hi Philippe >> >> I am one of those Camping friends (although I''ve been too busy >> with clients just lately to do much). Although I just posted >> links to your Camping ''add-ons'' to the wiki :-) >> >> I agree about Sinatra - from curiosity I''ve even dabbled with it >> myself (shame!), although it is nice that Camping still has a >> small community feel. Perhaps some _why-type cartoons (along the >> lines you suggest) might be the right way forward for a ''This is >> Camping'' website. Or just keep things clean and minimal. >> >> As for content, that was covered in another post to the list some >> time ago, as was a domain name. Magnus has the substance >> (tutorial, examples, etc.) and a nice CSS style for the blog >> example. Maybe start with a developed version of the Camping blog >> on Heroku (free) so we can each add Camping-related posts to keep >> things fresh? >> >> It''s just making enough time to put it all together... I''d be >> happy to chip in, but what''s the best way to build a whole site >> that uses Camping - a collection of apps and generated static >> pages? I once used Camping 1.5 (running as CGI) as an easy way to >> make a simple multipage wireframe mockup, but... >> >> Dave >> >>> I was wondering how we can help with next steps? >>> I keep seeing all the attention going to the Sinatra framework >>> (and Rails of course) and would love to help more with promoting >>> Camping. It would be great if one of our web designer / Camping >>> friend could help create a catchy visual for the site. How about >>> a night time view of a camp fire with a tent and maybe a small >>> projector with a big silver screen where we could display >>> rotating content / slides? Any other crazy concepts? >>> >>> Philippe >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Camping-list mailing list >> Camping-list at rubyforge.org <mailto:Camping-list at rubyforge.org> >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Camping-list mailing list > Camping-list at rubyforge.org <mailto:Camping-list at rubyforge.org> > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Camping-list mailing list > Camping-list at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/camping-list/attachments/20100324/4dfd2b12/attachment.html>